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Post by Kenny on Mar 9, 2005 9:11:37 GMT 10
there is a schism here (melbs) that is represented fairly well by this thread. why is 'high brow' perceived as exclusive and 'low brow' inclusive, amongst those of us who should know better? neither approach ensures a decent nights listening/watching. No offence intended, natch, on my earlier posts - just picking up (erroneously maybe) on what I perceived as put downs of legitimate efforts to promote a gig. As for "schism here (melbs) that is represented fairly well by this thread", ... well, maybe. But for me one of the glories of living in and around Melbourne's jazz scene is that it's easy and immensely satisfying to be part of just about all of it. And I know there are plenty of others who feel the same - Gerry K, AJ, Vicki etc etc. Truth is, if I was living in NY I would be able to fill my life up hard bop and soul jazz grooves, so much so there would be precious little room for anything else. But here in Melbourne, just through sheer necessity, I'm exposed to a lot wider variety. And I love it that way. Me, I love the groove stuff and consider myself "a self confessed arty type, out and proud", too. Certainly my newspaper colleagues think I'm on another planet (IE, they think I'm a loudmouth arrogant wanker!). Mark - come back (metaphorically, anyway ...) |
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Post by aj on Mar 10, 2005 12:31:53 GMT 10
your newspaper colleagues think you're a 'loudmouthed arrogant wanker' ? what, are they confusing you with Andrew Bolt ?
speakign of your colleagues, did you spot the gem in today's HS ? I forget who the writer was, they interviewed John Travolta about his latest film. Discussing the soundtrack, Travolta kept talking about a Brazilian composer named 'Joe Beam'. I guess he must have been Jim's brother !
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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2005 13:23:23 GMT 10
Ha - what a classic! No doubt the result of the same research methods that chucked up Keith Gerrard.
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Post by bud on Mar 10, 2005 16:54:06 GMT 10
whoah that stuff is so funny. you guys \../, even if i don;t know who u r  |
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Post by happy on Mar 10, 2005 18:25:07 GMT 10
I would be able to fill my life up hard bop and soul jazz grooves, so much so there would be precious little room for anything else. But here in Melbourne, just through sheer necessity, I'm exposed to a lot wider variety. Sorry, can't help but be amused by the 'wide variety' suggested between hard bop/soul jazz and jimmy smith - wow, that's some leap (not that I'm having a go at you really kenny, I know you stretch back another 10 years or so earlier as well (!!!!!!)) |
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Post by happy on Mar 10, 2005 18:35:46 GMT 10
'high brow' perceived as exclusive and 'low brow' inclusive actually, bod, i think it's the reverse of that: 'inclusive' is automatically assumed to be lowbrow, and 'exclusive' highbrow, regardless of the quality of the music involved. The drive for artistic 'newness' and credibility is a vital process, but it doesn't mean that playing more for your peers than for an audience necessarily creates better music. (in fact I would argue hard for the opposite!) Actually,knowing his tastes I'm surprised to see the side Kenny has fallen on this one... |
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Post by bod on Mar 10, 2005 18:57:38 GMT 10
um happy,
wot you said is the opposite of wot i said, how?
i agree.
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Post by happy on Mar 10, 2005 19:23:15 GMT 10
ummm....its not that I think its the opposite of what you said, just there's a slightly different shade.
I thought you were saying that highbrow music is being perceived as exclusive, whereas I am saying that exclusive music is automatically perceived as highbrow.
ie if you can dance to it it must be shite, whereas if you have to frown while you listen to it it must be very very worthy
maybe i'm just talking myself in circles....
ps yes I like both kinds
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Post by Kenny on Mar 11, 2005 7:53:47 GMT 10
Happy, I was making the point that in another place I could get lazy and just go with the grooves that complement my early, teenage roots in soul, blues and R&B.
But living in Melbourne there just isn't enough of that stuff around to fill me up, so I am forced to broaden up quite a bit. And, as I said, I love it that way.
And after a while such becomes habit and preferred mode of doing things.
It's been years since any headliner at Wangaratta has really got my pulse racing. The best, invariably, for me is seeing Australians I haven't seen before, or collaborations between folkses from different cities.
The hordes can have the Town Hall; give me the Playhouse and St Pats any day.
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Post by not joe chindamo on Mar 11, 2005 18:04:38 GMT 10
if it has been years since a headliner at Wangaratta has got your pulse rating you should see someone about your low blood pressure Kenny
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Post by vickihb2 on Mar 12, 2005 2:09:40 GMT 10
Caught a fab, fun, gig tonight at Bennetts. The lovely Peter Jones, the beautiful Ben Robertson the gorgeous Dave 'Papa' Beck , the talented Nina Ferro, the absolutely enchanting Emma Gilmartin and the Global Queen of Vocal Improvisation, Mrs Ferella of West Brunswick.
The Jazz Lab was packed, the audience loudly enthusiastic but thankfully without over doing the applause-on-every-solo thing. Each voice musician had such different tones and styles and the format now seems to work really well. Dave Beck is so much fun to listen to I wish he would start doing solo performances. Ben was on form as usual and Peter is perfect for these type of singers. He should get to play at Bennetts more often. Emma Gilmartin could easily be numero uno at a national Jazz Vocal comp if there ever is another one. An engaging event filled with laughter and joy at the sound of very good music.
Thanks to the Ladies and the Gentlemen who made the music and...
The club staff for the cheerfull help- (ta Meg)
The door lady
The club owner
the piano tuner
the drum set supplier
the set design
sound
art direction
lighting design
Mrs Ferella dressed by Kamakaze of Moonee Ponds
Ms Ferro dressed by Armani
Ms Gilmartin dressed by David Jones
Mr Jones dressed by Target
Mr Robertson dressed by Forges
Mr Beck dressed by Dangerfield
Photocopying of charts by Kwik Print
Toilet paper by Safeway
Handsoap by Johnson and Johnson
Plumbing by Jim's plumbing
you can tell I'm really just bored and can't sleep can't you?
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Post by Kenny on Mar 12, 2005 10:26:58 GMT 10
if it has been years since a headliner at Wangaratta has got your pulse rating you should see someone about your low blood pressure Kenny I've really enjoyed some of the international guests, but it's simply my aniticipation of the homegrown performances is greater based on pleasure levels delievered in previous years. |
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Post by vickihb2 on Mar 12, 2005 23:43:08 GMT 10
interesting how different people perceive promotional material. Attended the last 7 Wangaratta Festivals but for the last 6 was under the mistaken impression that the local artists were the headliners! Of course that is not how it is billed, and having just looked at the last few programmes it is clear that I just didn't notice Odean Pope or that Glaswegian/Irish blues singer (yawn) very much. My homeys at Wang - (the Wang fly girls and b boy posse) agree that we wouldnt mind much if we didn't see another overseas artist at the festival, so much brilliant music to draw from in this country we don't really need the added incentive of a foreign passport. Or any more POP singers. AJ: please take that as a blatant, kind but firm, gentle hint. You don't want a riot on your hands at the Gateway do you? Oh yes, except for Jessica Williams, AJ, we are all hanging out to hear her live. Another blatant hint. - Where should we send the case of scotch to? It is very easy to book her AJ just go to www.jessicawilliams.com and follow the directions. You know how to do that don't you? Just drag your cursor towards the yewllow text and press your mouse ... click.  |
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Post by aj on Mar 13, 2005 8:47:49 GMT 10
hey vicki, you been watching your Bogie & Bacall dvds or what ?
each to his/her own...........I think Kenny & Vicki are right in saying a large % of the Wang highlights come from Aus artists.
But I think it's going to extremes to suggest the internationals aren't that important or productive. Not everyone will like every last one of them ; but imho, you're mad if you don't take the chance to see someone like gary bartz or dave douglas or louis sclavis or han bennink (etc etc) in action.
And just bear in mind vicki, I always get lots of fans telling me there aren't enough singers on the program !
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Post by happy on Mar 13, 2005 9:22:32 GMT 10
I think Kenny & Vicki are right in saying a large % of the Wang highlights come from Aus artists. But I think it's going to extremes to suggest the internationals aren't that important or productive. Not everyone will like every last one of them ; but imho, you're mad if you don't take the chance to see someone like gary bartz or dave douglas or louis sclavis or han bennink (etc etc) in action. AMEN! I have to say that this year I think I missed most of the internationals by being too busy watching fantastic local music, but immensely grateful in previous years to have had the pleasure of seeing Bennink, Bartz..... |
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