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Post by previous judge on Nov 2, 2005 20:55:09 GMT 10
sounds like there is plenty of feedback flying around. I dont think the judges should be hassled, they got employed to do a job and they did it. They made their choice which looking at the panel would be an informed and educated one. Suggesting that it was political with no insight as to how you support that comment is at least provocatory and is not helpful in the slightest. Saying that someone deserved to be in the final is also a bit pointless. They all were good enough to get in the top 10, thats great in itself. Only three finalists can be chosen and the three that got in can certainly sing, I see nothing wrong with that.
As a side point, I'm sure that there were other fine vocalists that didn't make it tot the top 10,but hey, its a competition and the judges decide.
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Post by sophie on Nov 2, 2005 21:01:43 GMT 10
the best part of this competition is that it has stimulated a whole lot of discussion. vocal jazz was proven not to be just about showmanship and rah-rah, but musicianship, intent and facility.
hurrah for that. who cares about the results, in my view the comp has done it's job.
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Post by never been a judge on Nov 2, 2005 21:17:20 GMT 10
No-one is going to hassel the judges, but feedback as to why the top three were chosen can help the other contestants and it would be interesting. Just because they got paid to do it doesn't mean they shouldn't provide any feedback. If you apply for a grant and it's not successful, you get feedback, it would be a really positive thing. Having three judges not one hopefully eliminates any political carry on you would hope.
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Post by mim on Nov 2, 2005 22:15:21 GMT 10
yeah, I agree it would be great to hear what the judges have to say. My sister suggested getting Anita drunk and getting her to spill, but that would probably come under hassling... I'm having a lesson with Anita next week, and I'll be dying to hear her thoughts, but I think maybe I should steer clear of the topic.  I would like to understand the criteria a little more for my own reference, as I'd love to enter next time it's a vocal comp. Maybe if discussion of these finalists was only in reference to what to do, what not to do, etc... |
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Post by mim on Nov 2, 2005 22:46:27 GMT 10
an afterthought: I don't believe there would have been politics in the judges decisions. I do believe personal feelings can colour your opinion in both negative and positive ways, for example:
If there has been any mention of either Alison or Jo's performances lacking warmth or feeling, I disagree. I never feel any coldness from these two when they sing or otherwise. Could the fact that I have great affection for them both as people colour my opinion? Possibly, because if a feeling is already there before they sing it's unlikely to be removed once they begin singing. Intellectually I still think of them as beautiful and honest singers, I don't doubt it at all. But there has been discussion to that effect (only from very few people), and I suppose I can't say they're "wrong".
Same goes for if one has any negative feelings towards a singer, you may not feel the good things from their performance that an impartial listener might. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not suggesting the judges have negative feelings towards anyone.
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Post by belindablahblah on Nov 3, 2005 1:53:30 GMT 10
im really interested in what people think 'feel' is.
is it magic, elusive and unexplainable?
didnt see any singer competition stuff, maybe im on the wrong thread again. so let me add.. something a friend mentioned last night. a competition (such as wang vocal) is much more about what 3 people think (judges) than about how 10 people sing. if you remember that, the head dance of it all as a competitor isnt so painful.
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Post by previous judge on Nov 3, 2005 7:32:25 GMT 10
Well put Belinda.
I really think the idea is to get up and do your best in the way you believe it should be done, knowing what the judges want and trying to satisfy that is not what its about, that is unless you need the money or the ego that badly.
If you need feedback from the Judges get a lesson of them and then I'm sure they'll let you know their opinion.
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Post by mim on Nov 3, 2005 9:00:50 GMT 10
precisely my plan of action ;D belinda - I see 'think' and 'feel' as separate things, but that 'feel' can influence 'think' and vice versa. As for needing money or ego, good point. But you must admit that the career benefits of winning a competition such as this one are not purely about money or ego, or I suppose you could equate any method one chooses to become successful to wanting money or ego. A competition is just more instantaneous, and less subtle, and creates a hierachy and... remind why I want to be in it again?  Nah, in all seriousness, I don't want to be too warm and fuzzy, but plenty of the vocalists actually made new friends through this competition, so good on em. Go Wang! And go finalists! And go judges!  (that's not sarcasm, I had an awesome time at Wang, despite the mites in the beds at the caravan park) |
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Post by king kazoo on Nov 3, 2005 11:32:36 GMT 10
VOCAL WANK. WHO GIVES A SHIT? ALL HAIL THE KAZOO.
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Post by mim on Nov 3, 2005 14:16:07 GMT 10
touché  |
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Post by jmac on Nov 3, 2005 22:13:37 GMT 10
One thought floating around our group, we had a couple of dedicated competition attendees. Would it be a good idea to include one of the three musos backing the singers, say one becomes the spokesperson for them and that person becomes part of the judging team. Who better to know how the singers are travelling. Isn't part of the judging criteria how they interact with a band. Could it work or are we complicating it more?
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Post by alison on Nov 4, 2005 0:40:51 GMT 10
I reckon that's a fantastic idea!!!
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Post by belindablahhh on Nov 4, 2005 0:54:25 GMT 10
hey alison, ive got charts for you.. whats ya number? give me a call if you remember my number.. i notice you are online now.. and im still up..
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I would like to understand the criteria a little more for my own reference, as I'd love to enter next time it's a vocal comp. Maybe if discussion of these finalists was only in reference to what to do, what not to do, etc...
