Question for Adrian Jackson

[vicki h b]

no you were sick! Seriously congratulations to you both Mark. I believe men can wear anything anywhere as long as it doesn't smell bad, My brother wore a sarong and sandals to his wedding, and he looked incredible but he is very handsome and not fat like his sister!

[isaacs]

Thanks for the anniversary wishes Vicki.

Re dress & gender, you can't really deny my point that even CONSERVATIVE dress does still give woman more wiggle room (as it were). Of course men can wear what they want too, it's a free country, but woman have more options if they want to do so AND not send the signal "I am a rebel and will not conform to your rules". Not to say that they aren't subject to traditional conservative codes too, just more options within what is considered formal. They can even now get away with sensible flat shoes on formal occasions (in fairness men never had to walk on stilts but in terms of hot weather had no formal options for open footwear and still don't). Also (and this doesn't apply to jazz gigs) formal for men means dark colours. And at the ultimate formal occasion - "Black (or White) Tie" - men are reduced to an absolute UNIFORM a la the military. Tuxedo (black suit not enough, must have velour collar) white shirt and either white or black bow tie as specified, black shoes, black socks. For women? A long gown of any colour(s), needs to look expensive, high heels (probably), apart from that..you go girl!

World of difference. Your brother's wedding clearly was not a black tie affair. Had it been - no creativity for the men, absolute uniformity of genre, cut, style, colour and accessories, and complete freedom of colour, style and accessories WITHIN the long gown genre for women.

Same in business. Minimal options in the business suit genre for men (colour of tie the only area of possible individuality), far more options in business dress code for women.

This has to change. The masculine revolution demands it. We will not be soldiers in uniform.

But....... no thongs on jazz gigs. There I draw the line.

[shaggaz]

interesting points mark. but think of it this way also. Lots of girls don't like wearing dresses. I personally don't mind a frock, but... I feel really uncomfortable wearing one to certain gigs. Like depping in blowfish, playing my own stuff... Even the pearly shells swing orchestra, because you stand out and that's not always wanted. I think it's more difficult for female instrumentalists to dress up in certain circumstances.

Maybe it's just me and all those years of torment by the vada boys... lol

[isaacs]

But think of it this way by analogy shaggaz, if you were told you HAD to play rock music (for example), wouldn't you prefer to at least be able to pick the tunes, so that you could find a rock tune you like?

My point was not that women aren't subject to restrictions. In fact my point only really holds for the most formal occasions, where men (on the musical analogy) are dictated not only the genre, but the tunes and the exact arrangements, where women just have to confirm to the genre and can choose freely within it.

I'd far prefer the latter.

[johnnymastropaulos]

torment?
wasn't the east coast tour a pleasurable relaxing affair.
don't you like the smell of cigarrette smoke in a minibus?
don't you like non-stop mount vesuvius?
don't you like choulai whinging non stop about the pain in his belly due to bad truck-stop food?

god! there's no pleasing some people

[shaggaz]

no, no the best part was you drinking a warm beer for breakfast and a cat licking my toothbrush.
oh hang on, there were the endless moonings wilst passing each other in mid NSW.

[johnnymastropaulos]

yes....

I did like the moonings.

but, seriously, how about the drive-by mooings when we passed a herd of cows on the nuewell?

[timothystevens]

admin said:

weren't we patriotic getting married on Australia Day?

Well, it gives you something to celebrate. Congratulations.

[V H B]

[quote author=admin board=general thread=1137122781 post=113824
World of difference. Your brother's wedding clearly was not a black tie affair. Had it been - no creativity for the men, absolute uniformity of genre, cut, style, colour and accessories, and complete freedom of colour, style and accessories WITHIN the long gown genre for women.

Same in business. Minimal options in the business suit genre for men (colour of tie the only area of possible individuality), far more options in business dress code for women.

This has to change. The masculine revolution demands it. We will not be soldiers in uniform.

But....... no thongs on jazz gigs. There I draw the line.
[/quote]


Mark it was ten years ago, and as they lived in Melbourne and my sister in law is a clothes designer they actually banned the colour black from the wedding. It was amazing a room full of people in colour all from Melbourne!

I think you should consider a move to India or Pakistan that region, the men there look so gorgeous, not to mention the women. So stylish, so much colour.

I was sitting in a hotel lobby in Pune once watching guests arrive for a wedding, it was a procession of beauty and grace, and that was just the men! The women looked so incredibly beautiful, so much colour and movement in their clothes. and not a cleavage or thigh in sight!

divine.