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Post by vickibonet on Apr 6, 2007 14:00:26 GMT 10
SUNDAY 13 MAY 12 Noon
Joe Chindamo and Paul Grabowsky - DOUBLE PIANO!
And they said it couldn't be done. I hope the ABC broadcasts this one.
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Post by ironguts on Apr 6, 2007 15:51:49 GMT 10
who do you think will win?
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Post by freddy on Apr 6, 2007 17:02:50 GMT 10
who do you think will win? Who gives a shit - what a wankfest! |
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Post by ironguts on Apr 7, 2007 9:36:24 GMT 10
come on, where's your competitive spirit?? I thought us Aussies were into sport.
I'd actually like to see them do a duet on the same piano, that'd be fun.
I heard that they were going to improvise using their experiences judging in the Wang comp as food for thought. Maybe it should be trio with Mike, but then who would be in the middle?
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Post by timothystevens on Apr 7, 2007 17:32:52 GMT 10
Showdown, win, competitive.
Isn't it marvellous that no-one seems to entertain (oops!) the possibility of any music being generated by this meeting.
Just what the promoters want, I guess.
Happy Easter, everyone.
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Post by captain on Apr 7, 2007 22:05:17 GMT 10
Oh. My. God. Will they punch each other at the end?
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Post by vickibonet on Apr 8, 2007 9:05:06 GMT 10
I think we'll hear some music. Captain, violence at the end of a gig is a no no. During the gig it is ok, but you have to make sure it adds to the performance.
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Post by gator on Apr 8, 2007 9:57:52 GMT 10
Most people seem to forget that both of these guys are incredible players.
Its a bit pathetic that the first thing we associate with this gig is confrontation, no doubt perpetuated by the notional political agendas of both, and the juvenile 'taking of sides.Regardless of what you think of the individual 'direction' of each of these musicians, if you really cant learn anything from listening to either of them , then perhaps you are either one of an exceptionally small number of players who have 'heard it all before' or you are just a bigoted , closed minded twat.....or both.
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Post by captain on Apr 8, 2007 16:02:35 GMT 10
Well, I just always was under the impression they were arch enemies - but I don't really know either of them so it could just be gossip.
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Post by isaacs on Apr 8, 2007 16:35:58 GMT 10
Most people seem to forget that both of these guys are incredible players. Its a bit pathetic that the first thing we associate with this gig is confrontation, no doubt perpetuated by the notional political agendas of both, and the juvenile 'taking of sides.Regardless of what you think of the individual 'direction' of each of these musicians, if you really cant learn anything from listening to either of them , then perhaps you are either one of an exceptionally small number of players who have 'heard it all before' or you are just a bigoted , closed minded twat.....or both. Well said. I'd love to be at the concert. |
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Post by paulgrab on Apr 8, 2007 20:56:09 GMT 10
Just to set the record straight:
Joe and I may have had our issues over the years, but at the end of the day we are musicians, and music speaks louder than words; it often makes far more sense, and rarely leads to physical violence. We have agreed to this gig because we think it will probably be fun; I'm sure I speak for both of us when I say that we would both rather concentrate the focus of the scene (as far as this gig goes) on the potential we have to make music on two pianos than on the possibility of a bar fight. I understand that in the minds of some, the latter would be a far more exciting outcome, but so be it. I have great respect for Joe, and I am happy to finally have a chance to play music with a guy who can play the shit out of an instrument I have learned over the years variously to love, fear and respect. If you're cynical about it, either be there and form an opinion, or be someplace else and actually be a REAL wanker (that was for you, freddy).
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Post by vickibonet on Apr 9, 2007 11:41:57 GMT 10
Showdown, win, competitive. Isn't it marvelous that no-one seems to entertain (oops!) the possibility of any music being generated by this meeting. Just what the promoters want, I guess. Happy Easter, everyone. Tim does this mean that you are totally out of the gossip loop or that you are above such nonsense? Some musicians in the scene in Melbourne were willing to bet money that Joe and Paul would never work together again thus my use of the term 'showdown'. I wouldn't have thought the promoters would be naive enough to expect scene gossip is enough to promote a gig, especially as those on the goss grapevine rarely pay to go to a gig anyway. Has anyone seen the TV-Cs or other adverts for the festival? Hardly WWF material! I am giving thanks that the gig is not at Crown (hate gambling) as I plan to be there with my ears open. |
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Post by timothystevens on Apr 9, 2007 12:15:13 GMT 10
There aren't too many gossip loops that I'm actually in but, to paraphrase Mike from the Young Ones, there are as yet undiscovered tribes in the heart of the Peruvian jungle who aren't omitted from this one.
It seemed to me that your opening post played on the purported enmity between these two players, which is a very boring thing on which to base either a gig or its promotion — that is, accepting that it actually exists. The most interesting thing that might come out of a performance of this kind would surely be to hear how two musicians so musically different from one another negotiate a space for coexistence. But obviously it's easier to make up some stuff about dysfunctional personal relationships and think that's what one is hearing. Meagre material for good music-making, but sufficient for some.
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Post by isaacs on Apr 9, 2007 13:11:22 GMT 10
I'm glad the posts by gator, Tim and Paul himself have appeared as this thread was astonishingly (for a music forum) in danger of completely ignoring the potential for some truly enlightening music coming out of this meeting which is why I commended gator's post.
On the other hand, we needn't be so pious that a bit of light-hearted "duelling pianos" speculation can't go down if we're talking about the possibility of the odd friendly virtuosic volley sallying back and forth. To me that wouldn't necessarily be a surprise if it happened in the music as it wouldn't necessarily surprise if an editor seized on "duelling pianos" as a byline (as much as that would unfortunately cheapen most of the music I imagine will take place).
There's surely room for some harmless fun in music-making and in talking about music-making. I've done two-piano concerts with both Paul and Joe and inevitably there can be the odd moment where instrumental exhilaration takes over in hearing virtuosic playing on your own instrument coming back at you and a bit of high-wire stuff is indulged in for its own sake. Goodness, many classical concertos (or double concertos) do as much at times. Music to me doesn't exclude a rhetorical overlay, and much exciting music has included a rhetorical component that could be boiled down to a musical version of an argument or even a kind of oneupmanship. Done with a smile, I'd be glad to be a fly on the wall.
In a category of its own is the talk about some sort of alleged personal enmity between the two as having any bearing on the music, if indeed it exists at all. Let's at least distinguish between friendly musical duelling (which knowing Paul and Joe would likely be a momentary thing) and ratcheting up to the music representing some sort of actual mutual personal enmity which is a horrible and depressing thought that anyone who appreciates the integrity and humanity of both artists would know is beyond the pale.
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Post by gator on Apr 10, 2007 8:25:46 GMT 10
p On the other hand, we needn't be so pious that a bit of light-hearted "duelling pianos" speculation can't go down if we're talking about the possibility of the odd friendly virtuosic volley sallying back and forth. T Me pious? - God forbid... |
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