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Post by isaacs on Apr 14, 2009 22:17:26 GMT 10
Lloyd, the vented ones I have are -20dB attenuation across high frequencies but hardly touch the low. But feedback is high frequency of course so I am optimistic. Mine are not moulded by cast but come in a set of varying custom sizes, the audiometrist chose the ones best suited to my ears. The brand is DOC'S PROPLUGS see www.proplugs.com/musicandnoise.shtml, only $33. By the way, in the hearing test I had today at 4kHz I am -30dB in the right ear, and -35dB in the left. This is at the very lower end of typical damage from noise trauma for people working in noisy industries. All the other frequencies are fine. I will try them for the first time on May 16, my first gig in 6 months. |
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Post by gator on Apr 15, 2009 11:26:07 GMT 10
Between 4 and 8 k seems to be the critical range for people of our vintage in this game Mark - 30 - 35 db is pretty good - Im 25ish in the left and 30 in the right, but I suspect teaching has as much if not more to do with this degree of loss than playing - dodgy sound techs aside - taking ensembles in poor acoustic spaces, etc. I'd be interested to know how much others feel they are affected by the exposure to 'noise' in the teaching environment in contrast to playing gigs. The specialist I talked to has patients of around 40 who are down to 15 db in each ear after 20 odd years working in factories etc. I've had real problems with ear plugs - I'll give the ones you mentioned a try. And I still play the mind game of listening to very quiet music after loud gigs - I doubt if it actually has any direct physical benefits but it takes my mind off the ringing..  In regard to drummers - I'm perplexed by Shand's statement about Dave Beck - he may as well criticise James Muller or Phil Slater for choosing to put their instruments before the music 'on occasion'.. because they happen to be gifted and dedicated instrumentalists - silly. |
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Post by trumpetguy on Apr 15, 2009 13:13:05 GMT 10
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Post by ironguts on Apr 15, 2009 18:24:58 GMT 10
I hadn't seen that, love it, thank you.
4 to 8 k sounds expensive for ear phones! No price on protection hey?
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Post by Eugene K on Apr 15, 2009 19:16:40 GMT 10
One point for the obvious,,, not. No points for your pathetic attempt to pretend you weren't serious in the first place. |
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Post by ironguts on Apr 15, 2009 21:03:37 GMT 10
Oh please give me a point, and a gold star! While your at it maybe a gig too.
Yes I was serious, and that changes what? Yes it goes for any instrument and that changes what? It seems I miss your point, you may need to be more specific.
BTW, I relish in pathetic attempts at things, makes me happy.
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Post by Lacan on Apr 15, 2009 21:38:23 GMT 10
Well if you need that spelled out for you then maybe you are even more shallow than suggested! Maybe profane, but not profound Mr Guts!
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Post by StMag on Apr 16, 2009 23:23:31 GMT 10
Geez guts you really are an insensitive, no-hoping moron. Anybody who knows anything about music music knows nothing you say can't be taken in jest. If you really need an old, decrepit, insolent guitarist to point this out to you you really should give up music all-together and just take up the bass.
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Post by NotStGit on Apr 17, 2009 3:21:03 GMT 10
Exactly, bass may have 4 strings, but it's easier than a Trumpet's 4 valves (?).
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Post by ironguts on Apr 17, 2009 9:30:52 GMT 10
Well you guys know me well, all my best points there, no-hoping, insensitive, shallow, pathetic, I could go into politics or Law with those characteristics!
Lacan, more methane than profane I would have thought.
Bass? Me play Bass?? You have to use 2 hands!! I just like one handed pursuits thank you.
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Post by StMag on Apr 18, 2009 0:55:37 GMT 10
Well that gig you did tonight really demonstrated to everyone that no matter how much hair you grow, your superfluous and bombastic approach to music making still shows you as an insensitive, ego-driven man.
Do you really have the balls to get up here and tell other people how to play the drums when you have a retard like Ken bashing away in what can only be described as an orgy of syncopation: having no grounding in swing or danceable music?!
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Post by alimcg on Apr 18, 2009 10:29:26 GMT 10
Well you guys know me well, all my best points there, no-hoping, insensitive, shallow, pathetic, I could go into politics or Law with those characteristics! Lacan, more methane than profane I would have thought. Bass? Me play Bass?? You have to use 2 hands!! I just like one handed pursuits thank you. Does that mean you'll be putting one-handed from now on? |
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Post by alimcg on Apr 18, 2009 10:38:15 GMT 10
Lloyd, the vented ones I have are -20dB attenuation across high frequencies but hardly touch the low. But feedback is high frequency of course so I am optimistic. Mine are not moulded by cast but come in a set of varying custom sizes, the audiometrist chose the ones best suited to my ears. The brand is DOC'S PROPLUGS see www.proplugs.com/musicandnoise.shtml, only $33. By the way, in the hearing test I had today at 4kHz I am -30dB in the right ear, and -35dB in the left. This is at the very lower end of typical damage from noise trauma for people working in noisy industries. All the other frequencies are fine. I will try them for the first time on May 16, my first gig in 6 months. I've got 25dB attenuation on mine, but I don't really use them much for gigs, especially jazz. I always wear them for practice though. On the louder gigs when I do use them, I find that if the mix is good, then there are no problems such as losing the bass frequencies. I know a lot of drummers (and other musicians) are concerned that if they play with plugs in, especially on an "acoustic" gig, they'll play too loud, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. It's an easily surmountable problem. I noticed a few drummers at smaller jazz clubs in NYC (such as Smalls and the Village Vanguard) wearing plugs, and they certainly weren't too loud. |
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Post by captain on Apr 18, 2009 13:37:36 GMT 10
I agree with Mark - nothing wrong with dumping the drums - and the bass for that matter! see Julien Wilson trio....
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Post by jazzy jazzer on Apr 18, 2009 20:14:23 GMT 10
How then could it be Jazz? The swing is the thing man, need the bass and drums for that? You gotta keep the time going! Sounds like chamber music, not jazz.
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