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Post by isaacs on Jun 1, 2009 12:02:43 GMT 10
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Post by ironguts on Jun 1, 2009 12:27:59 GMT 10
Have a great gig Mark, 505 has to be one of, if not the, best small venue in the country, I love the place!
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Post by isaacs on Jun 2, 2009 0:24:20 GMT 10
Friggin' awesome venue
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Post by dodgy on Jun 2, 2009 0:54:49 GMT 10
Phew! That critic must be paid by the word (I make it 1545 words on the first count-through). |
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Post by dodgy on Jun 2, 2009 1:22:40 GMT 10
130 people paid to see the band @ 505 Compare with .... 35 payers at BL. The band responds to people who really respond to music. ... fantastic venues and audiences and all sold out or close to FWIW. Some will interpret this as a whinge, be my guest. I'm just tellin' it like it is..... It is a whinge, surely. But that doesn't mean you don't have a point. At BL on that night I was disappointed that many more had not turned out, especially given the calibre of the band — to quote the wordy critic: "Isaacs is no less the man of the moment than Satchmo was, and no less intrinsic to defining jazz now than Armstrong was in defining the sound of New Orleans. etc etc". Perhaps Mark, you may take comfort in Christ's words: "Where there are two or three gathered together in My Name, there am I in the midst of them." But the BL audience did seem to really respond to the music (I know I did) and there was the mitigating factor that a day or so earlier Melburnites experienced the final day of Melbourne Jazz Fringe and by the night of Mark's gig we were already into Stonnington Jazz. And a couple of weeks before that we had MIJF. So all that jazz possibly accounted for some not coming out. But why not whinge anyway? It sounds as if the 505 gig more than made up for the dismal outing down south. |
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Post by isaacs on Jun 2, 2009 1:48:39 GMT 10
Roger, I deleted that post within 5 minutes of posting it. Thought better of it. Meantime you quoted from it. Damn! I could delete your post but won't on principle so I guess I'm stuck with (some of) my words back on the record against my previous wish.
What I also said in that post was that I raised the economics of the situation (5 piece band flies down to Melbourne + accommodation to play for 35 payers) because I'm very sorry Martin Jackson got burned presenting us.
From our point of view it wasn't a financial problem, just a let down compared to our experiences in Adelaide, Perth, Darwin, Brisbane and most of all Sydney 505.
(Incidentally, Christ's words are regular comfort to me, He never leaves me comfortless).
There were some lovely warm people at BL. It was great to meet you Roger and to see Adrian, Henk and especially my dear friend Tim S., the one artistic colleague who made it.
Thanks.
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Post by jec on Jun 2, 2009 10:27:50 GMT 10
Shame, Melbourne, Shame!
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Post by ironguts on Jun 2, 2009 10:45:31 GMT 10
You know the thing about 505 too is that 99% of the people that show would never go to SIMA or Bennetts, they are a different crew totally up for pretty much any musical style. I think it says more about the venue than the music. The uptight expensive venue just doesn't appeal to those folk, and who would blame them. For $10 and byo it's a great deal, the sound is excellent and the the whole vibe is about the performance without setting up a pretense of "sh and listen, mobiles off", it all happens naturally.
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Post by dodgy on Jun 2, 2009 10:46:21 GMT 10
... the one artistic colleague who made it. Ouch! You need not self-censor, Mark. Melburnians must bear the shame, as we do for bashing Indian students. (That upsets me, because in all my time spent in India many, many years ago — when I used to do things — I never had any treatment worse than hundreds of guys trying to sell me "pure" silk shirts or "genuine" gemstones. Never ever any violence or threat of it.) |
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Post by isaacs on Jun 2, 2009 11:01:05 GMT 10
You know the thing about 505 too is that 99% of the people that show would never go to SIMA or Bennetts, they are a different crew totally up for pretty much any musical style. I think it says more about the venue than the music. The uptight expensive venue just doesn't appeal to those folk, and who would blame them. For $10 and byo it's a great deal, the sound is excellent and the the whole vibe is about the performance without setting up a pretense of "sh and listen, mobiles off", it all happens naturally. Absolutely. And from my point of view it's fantastic that they now have a grand piano. Cameron Undy and Kerri need to be acknowledged for transforming the jazz scene in Sydney. |
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Post by ironguts on Jun 2, 2009 11:10:04 GMT 10
Hear here!!
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Hear there!!!
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Post by vickibonet on Jun 2, 2009 16:38:42 GMT 10
On attending live gigs: I feel guilty when I can't attend musicians live performances whose work I admire. The problem is there are lots of gigs to go to and if you have a job and family you can't be out several nights a week. Melbourne has got more than half a dozen jazz venues now operating 7 nights a week. It's not that we don't care, it's just that we can't be everywhere all the time.
Just speaking up for the punters here. (Am I the only one on this forum?)
So please don't take it personally.
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Post by isaacs on Jun 2, 2009 17:40:13 GMT 10
Fair enough Vicki, but what you say comes down to priorities. People can't attend everything, that's absolutely dead-on right. They prioritise. With 35 people buying tickets to our performance - but many May gigs in Melbourne by interstate Australian or international artists reportedly well-attended - I imagine our gig was a particularly low priority on Melbourne's jazz audience's calendar in May for that interstate/international category where it's pretty much a one-off chance to see the thing (if not the lowest of that group? Any internationals or interstates pull less than 35 in May?). I don't take it "personally" as such: it just is what it is. Similarly, when the Resurgence band played Wangaratta in 2007 and I was already an ABC artist there was an ABC OB van parked outside the Town Hall throughout and I was rather surprised our gig wasn't recorded. Mal said the same thing as you: "can't record everything Mark". But he recorded heaps, so we were obviously again "low priority". Not really a big deal in the end being low priority to one small jazz community, with the jazz audience itself being only one possible audience to woo, I'm off to fry bigger fish....  Give vent, had me whinge, it bounces off as if it were Teflon, life is friggin' awesome. |
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Post by gator on Jun 2, 2009 18:18:34 GMT 10
No you're not the only punter Vicki - many of us are artists who also attend gigs when possible -but I have missed more gigs than I care to remember thanks to being occupied myself with playing, a full time job, and the researching,marking essays or assignments that go with it,or the precious and rare opportunity to write music and practice - when my kids don't need my constant attention that is....
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Post by isaacs on Jun 2, 2009 18:23:02 GMT 10
I really don't want anybody to take it personally as a dig from me that they didn't attend our gig. I'm talking about aggregate numbers, in which Melbourne was a really exceptional case on the tour. I'm commenting only on that. The general Melbourne response.
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