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Post by alimcg on Feb 8, 2011 19:02:31 GMT 10
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Post by EST Fan on Feb 11, 2011 22:00:21 GMT 10
None of this means anything at all.
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Post by wannabe on Feb 12, 2011 12:25:21 GMT 10
Such disrespect! I'm gonna take it up with one or two of the nominees and see what they think.
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Post by alimcg on Feb 12, 2011 16:15:03 GMT 10
None of this means anything at all. Well, most of everything means nothing, so why bother. We're all going to die, so just give up now. Much easier. |
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Post by Confused on Mar 20, 2011 10:20:28 GMT 10
The APRA Professional Development Awards are for 'emerging artists' or so it says on their site. So how does someone with twenty years of playing and writing music professionally qualify as a finalist?
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Post by alimcg on Mar 20, 2011 20:47:54 GMT 10
Good question. Maybe it's more literal - like, artists coming out of a house, or artists alighting from a bus.
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Post by Herbie on Mar 20, 2011 20:58:52 GMT 10
None of this means anything at all.
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 21, 2011 11:44:29 GMT 10
Two things: 1. 'None of this means anything at all' I said in specific reference to the ARIA Awards, in this thread: gracemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1434I maintain my ill-feeling towards the ARIA awards, which are rubbish, and in particular the jazz one. Decided upon by anonymous industry figures whose worthiness seems questionable at the very least, it constitutes a tokenistic appendage to an event designed to promote pop music, and it says nothing true about music whatsoever. (Previously I felt many of the same doubts about the Bell Awards, but nowadays at least they are actually disclosing the names of the people who make the decision, and this is most definitely an improvement.) If anyone inferred that I was picking on awards as an entity, they were mistaken. I went to some length to outline what distinguishes the Booker Prize as a meaningful award in the arts, and I might have thought it was obvious that what I was suggesting was that the operation of the ARIA Award for Best Jazz Album could become a meaningful thing with a greater transparency and some kind of acknowledged theoretical/aesthetic rigour. These things I am prepared to put my name to as I sincerely believe them and I long for the day when they are dealt with maturely. (Here however is looking less and less like the place, thanks to the anonymity that protects the unimaginative.) I see massive structural differences between the ARIAs and the APRA PDAs, and it's for this reason I have more faith in the latter. If the reiteration of my 'none of this means anything at all' comment is to say the award or its result is not of interest or significance in the broader community though, then that's merely a difference of opinion - and thanks for yours, whoever you are. 2. If the 'twenty years' comment is a swipe at me, then yes, I won the award and I'll be 40 in October. I hesitated at 'emerging' as well, and went through the guidelines several times to make sure I hadn't missed a stipulation as to an age limit. I hadn't; there wasn't one. I am used to reading conditions for competitions and seeing that they are limited to musicians under 30, or 35, or even 40, and when the conditions state as much then there is no argument. But if you look at the complete shortlist (linked above) you will see that I was by no means the only applicant in my age range, or even the oldest person to be shortlisted. When I applied I thought my age might count against me, but at the same time I feel always I am emerging, and in the last few years having been at home with children for much of the time I haven't had too many opportunities to be doing the kinds of things this award is going to facilitate. I would say I've still some things to achieve, and I am hugely grateful for this encouragement. It has meant a tremendous amount to me. |
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Post by Confused on Mar 22, 2011 11:00:55 GMT 10
I think it's great you won Timothy, I am just a little confused about their terms, there were a lot of established professional finalists. And I also think that's really good - there are more than enough 'emerging artists' grants. I just wish I'd thrown my hat into the ring!
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 22, 2011 12:07:41 GMT 10
Thank you. I guess the awards will be run again in two years' time, so get ready to throw your hat then!
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Post by Estbjorn on Mar 24, 2011 19:36:15 GMT 10
On that explanation Sonny Rollins could enter as he is constantly emerging as an artist. It would be easy to deride this award for 'emerging artists' as much as the Aria's I suppose Tim? The term 'emerging' obviously does mean nothing in the context. I wonder what a true emerging artist thinks? I think most of the awards have issues & I think it's difficult to put one above another unless you won a particular award I suppose?
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Post by Estjborn on Mar 24, 2011 19:42:44 GMT 10
Just another point Tim. The reason I took issue with your comment about the Arias in that it by implication it reflected upon all the amazing winners of the jazz category over the years. It really is worthwhile going to Aria site and looking back at the undeniable top class talent who have won it since it's inception. A point I think which can't be seriously denied. Whilst you might wish to argue about some who haven't won it or even been finalists, the winners I believe have been deserved and represent the upper echelons of our jazz community. This is not to deny however the fact that many many great jazz players haven't won it.
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Post by Estbjorn on Mar 24, 2011 20:13:54 GMT 10
Some past Aria winners; Andrea Keller, Mike Nock, Paul Grabowsky,Mark Simmonds, the Necks, James Muller, Bernie McGann, Dale Barlow,James Morrison & George Golla just to name a few. An amazing lineup of talent!
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 24, 2011 20:20:09 GMT 10
Okay, okay, I've been following the ARIA winners for years, and I know who they are and I know how great they are. IT'S NOT THAT. I am not judging them.
But look, I've said what I'm going to say about this, for now. I don't think I can be much clearer about it. I shall only wind up repeating myself, and that's such a terrible bore.
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