Re: upside of the tyranny of distance

[bod]

so much raised in the above missive. where to start..
who friggin cares about or buys major label product?
that path to cullum will surely lead.
america host to a barren legacy?
purleeeese mr., surely you jest.
www.okkadisc.com
as one example of some of the most innovative, exciting and really fucking good music i've heard since first encountering chopin (yeah, he had the jazz).
besides if more traditional sounds are you're thing, aint' nobody can do it like the yanks.

[Kenny]

I've deleted my original post on this thread.

I've also deleted my obscene reply to the first reply.

Frankly, I am sick of having my jesting posts misrepresented by anonymous idots.

Can you delete this thread, Mark?

[aj]

now I'm interested to know just what was in kenny's original post !!!

as for bod's statement that nobody can play the traditional sound slike the yanks : if you mean messrs Armstrong, Morton, Bechet, Spanier, Sutton, etc etc, absoultely !

If you mean today's crop of musicians : from what I have heard (on disc or in person), I would put players/bands like Bob Barnard, Peter Gaudion, Allan Browne, Steve Grant, Virus, etc on a par with any of the leading 'classic jazz' performers in the states today, and head & shoulders above most of 'em.

[isaacs]

I missed the posts that were deleted but get the gist.

I don't think my role extends beyond deleting outright offensive or defamatory posts (and all I can do is use my own definitions of what crosses the line in those areas, obviously this is not a puritanical forum!).

Registered members can delete their own posts, and that action can make a thread unintelligible to a greater or lesser extent, as in the case of your deletions Kenny.

However I don't think I can automatically accede to your request to delete the whole thread as what remains doesn't seem offensive or defamatory. If I simply acted on your request that would set a precedent for anybody to request such action, which involves deleting the posts of others.

So I'll just leave it that people delete their own stuff as they see fit. I'll only delete something that totally crosses the line (eg where someone could get sued, or an incitement to violence etc etc)

[Kenny]

I was running with a passing reference at AAJ about the effect of Wynton and the whole neo-con thing on Australian jazz.

Pretty much non-existent as far as I'm aware - and all the better for it.'

I guess some good stuff came out of all that, but a lot of the players put on pedestals by the major labels - and others - just don't seem to have gone anywhere.

The US scene prospers away from all that anyway.

bod just fired off the first thing that seemed to come into his mind, assuming stuff that I didn't even imply.

The barren legacy to which I was referring was solely that related to Wynton, and his ilk and the major labels. As for the major labels, I agree totally.

[bod]

in the spirit of not wishing to lurk etc, i can only reply to what is written - i didn't detect the humour.
i apologise if i misinterpreted your statement, mr weir.
this is why the whole interweb thing will never catch on.

[Kenny]

Fair enuf, bod. I was simply puzzled by your reply as we seem to be of like minds on these subjects. Talking about the major labels doesn't mean to say I dig 'em!

And yes, much as I enjoy online discourse about jazz and related (and unrelated!) subjects, it does have its drawbacks.

It's like telephones, which I freakin' loathe: No body language, no eye contact etc etc.

Onward!

Have ya seen the line up Bennetts next week?

Fri, Mar 11th, 2005, @8:30pm Jazz voices with Peter Jones Trio feat. M Nicolle, E Gilmartin, & N Ferro
Sat, Mar 12th, 2005, @8:30pm Jamie Oehlers' Blowfish with Alison Wedding
Sun, Mar 13th, 2005, @8:30pm Luke Howard Trio
Mon, Mar 14th, 2005, @8:30pm Allan Browne Quintet
Tue, Mar 15th, 2005, @8:30pm Allan Browne's Australian Jazz Band - CD Launch
Wed, Mar 16th, 2005, @8:30pm Joe Chindamo Trio
Thu, Mar 17th, 2005, @8:30pm Jamie Oehlers Quintet
Fri, Mar 18th, 2005, @8:30pm Jamie Oehlers' Blowfish with Alison Wedding
Sat, Mar 19th, 2005, @8:30pm Sophie Brous Band
Sun, Mar 20th, 2005, @8:30pm Tim Stevens Trio

It's been a while since I woz out, so I plan on getting me some of that, as well as the Hammond thingie at the Night Cat.

[bod]

some nice joints, should be fun.
keep on keepin on.

[happy]

kennyweir said:

I was running with a passing reference at AAJ about the effect of Wynton and the whole neo-con thing on Australian jazz.

Pretty much non-existent as far as I'm aware - and all the better for it.'

hmm i'll have to check that thread out. I don't know that I entirely agree. I think the Australian scene is much more conservative now than it was say 15-20years ago in terms of what is defined as 'jazz'. Perhaps this has nothing to do with Wynton, perhaps not.

Certainly the general commodification of the music industry has had an impact, and Wynton is certainly a product of that process (although we can't hold him responsible for the whole mess, godammit ;D).

I think there has been a real shift in the public perception of what jazz is, which has moved away from creative impulses towards what I would call 'corporate jazz' - beautiful non-intrusive background colors from piano trios with an optional singer or tenor saxophone. Not that I'm trying to suggest there isn't an awful lot of great music made in that genre (Bennett's presents it almost exclusively and to great effect), just there is a hell of a lot more out there (check out the halfbent gigs for instance) that gets largely ignored by the press and mainstream venues

And yes kudos to Bennett's for presenting the co-op gigs, which tend to fall outside that category, but let's face it its a funded night so it's really a free ride for them - Very few of those bands would get a gig at Bennett's if they weren't paid for...Not that I'm having a go at Bennett's either, they are a business attempting to find an audience which is influenced by the whole neo-conservative process.

Interestingly, I would suggest the Sydney scene is on the whole less conservative, perhaps because it is centred around a funded organisation in SIMA rather than by a commercial venue. Conversely, Perth while lacking a specialised venue, is I am informed possibly the most conservative scene in the country.

I realise 'conservative' is a contentious and coloured word - perhaps we need a different term

[bod]

happy, i reckon you're on the money there...
now, what to do re said situation?

[happy]

i think it's usually down to wailing and gnashing of teeth ;D