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Post by ironguts on Mar 9, 2007 22:46:29 GMT 10
Eric D had a pretty substantial body of work in my view. Sure, more time blah blah. There are enough amazing recordings to support an idea of his approach.
Bottom line for me is he was a heavy mother fucker that had an individual voice with much maturity and intelligence. It's pretty sad to even have to try to "stand up" for the incredible input this musician had on improvised/jazz music.
Actually I'd go further. It saddens me to think that he is perceived as being a cerebral artist when his
You know, I have to stop there. I guess if you can't hear it then it's not true for you, simple as that. I can't be bothered and neither should you.
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Post by trumpetguy on Mar 10, 2007 8:13:19 GMT 10
It's been years since I listened to any of those albums properly - and while I thought it was the absolute bees knees when I was 18 or 19, the only time they come out now is when I have to learn a tune for someone else. I would suggest you listen to them again now....I would guess (or hope)your ears are a a little more mature than when you were a kiddy. Perhaps you could give these records another (real)listen and get back to us...gotta say I completely agree with guts on this one |
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Post by alimcg on Mar 10, 2007 22:41:33 GMT 10
I don't disagree with you on this guts...
"Eric D had a pretty substantial body of work in my view. Sure, more time blah blah. There are enough amazing recordings to support an idea of his approach."
I was just making the point that perhaps Captain would view Dolphy's contribution differently if he (and all of us) had the opportunity to hear what was next. Personally I am scared by the thought of where he may have gone. My own tastes aren't in that direction, but whenever I hear him I just go FUCK!!! A monster - just not my kind of monster.
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Post by captain on Mar 11, 2007 20:30:11 GMT 10
"supposition, conjecture and personal taste"
Exactly! Poor old Ironguts is too nice to delve into the dark underbelly of music criticism....NOT!
"Actually I'd go further. It saddens me to think that he is perceived as being a cerebral artist when his
You know, I have to stop there. I guess if you can't hear it then it's not true for you, simple as that. I can't be bothered and neither should you."
We both know he doesn't need you or I to defend his musical output, all I'm interested in is debating the quantifiable aspects of his music. And yes, I have digressed several times from the quantifiable stuff...
Perhaps there are specific parts of records you could recommend that you think are good examples of why you love Dolphy? I own OUt to Lunch so any track references to that can hear straight away.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 12, 2007 7:54:28 GMT 10
there is nothing on out to lunch that I don't think is exemplary of the Dolphy genius! - Here and There, Outward Bound, both amazing too
Also his playing on Booker Littles album Out Front rocks.
I'll be more specific when I have more than a minute, but anytime he plays solo is also very nice, nice, nice.
Just quickly though, I love that he is more rhythmically adventurous than just the old 8 note, I even love the way he does swing his 8 notes. His interval choice and his angular movement throughout the range of the horn is so exciting, and actually when you write it out without all the leaps and bounds it.s not dissimilar to alot of Bird.
I don't hate double negs at all.
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Post by aj on Mar 12, 2007 8:41:45 GMT 10
I don't hate double negs at all. None of us never said that you don't not. |
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Post by alimcg on Mar 12, 2007 10:49:58 GMT 10
I don't know half of you half as well as I'd like, and I like less than half of you half as much as you deserve.
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Post by captain on Mar 12, 2007 14:37:41 GMT 10
I'm going to go listen to Out to Lunch right now and come back with some specific, constructive comments.
Now Booker Little, there's someone who we can agree on.... another early death, but every time I hear him i go 'what the fuck was that?'.
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Post by freddy on Mar 12, 2007 16:10:55 GMT 10
I'm going to go listen to Out to Lunch right now and come back with some specific, constructive comments. Now Booker Little, there's someone who we can agree on.... another early death, but every time I hear him i go 'what the fuck was that?'. Don't forget "Far Cry", it's as good and some have argued, even better. |
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Post by freddy on Mar 12, 2007 16:11:44 GMT 10
I'm going to go listen to Out to Lunch right now and come back with some specific, constructive comments. Now Booker Little, there's someone who we can agree on.... another early death, but every time I hear him i go 'what the fuck was that?'. Don't forget "Far Cry", it's as good and some have argued, even better. |
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Post by aj on Mar 12, 2007 17:48:21 GMT 10
Not to mention 'Iron Man' or 'Jitterbug Waltz' (it's been reissued in different formats) with Woody Shaw, Bobby Hutcherson, Richard Davis etc.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 12, 2007 19:09:46 GMT 10
Booker's solo on Man of Words from Out Front,,, thats heavy, there is a maturity ( whatever that is ) of expression on that solo that hits hard. Dead at 23 and he'd already got there, mmmm, heavy.
I'll check out Far Cry again, hard call to say heavier than Out to lunch, but maybe.
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Post by vickibonet on Mar 13, 2007 11:53:21 GMT 10
Music you're NOT listening to: Incognito. My darling brother turns up on Sunday night for dinner to tell me how much he enjoyed Tony Remy on Saturday. I didnt' know he was in town. I'm so mad I missed it. Did anyone here catch that gig?
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Post by glean on Mar 17, 2007 9:47:55 GMT 10
petrol heads.......... they r everywhere'''''''the grand prix shoud go home to SA where it trluy belongs thanks mate ...............spend all that money on jazz insted. wow all those millions on jazz? shit
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Post by alimcg on Mar 17, 2007 22:13:06 GMT 10
I can hear the GP from my place in Brunswick (Brunswick Upper at that!).
Finally finished my CDs. Finished with a lovely compilation of Nat King Cole. One of those 2 disc no-label comps.
Right now listening to "Ella and Louis Again." Also listening to John McLauglin Live at the Royal Festival Hall; Complete Monk Trios '51-'54; Coltrane Ballads; Jazz Messengers - Buhaina's Delight; Bitches Brew; Rufus Wainwrigh - Want Two. Love the Monk trio stuff with Blakey. Not getting into Want Two yet. It's not really grabbing me, though I said that about Want One, and now I love that album. Can't get enough Elvin Jones at the moment. Triplets people. Triplets.
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