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Post by shaggaz on Feb 27, 2006 20:03:17 GMT 10
I went to Omar Sosa on Saturday night and then to the Osby workshop today.
What did you think of either gig?
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Post by jvmac on Feb 27, 2006 20:57:41 GMT 10
I missed both due to work commitments so what did you think shaggaz
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Post by jazzpolice on Feb 28, 2006 7:11:34 GMT 10
To be honest (and you know you love it), I was terribly disapointed in Osby's gig. Particularly the rhythm section. I s'pose playing standards in a pick-up band most often results in boring, predictable music.
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Post by shaggaz on Feb 28, 2006 22:38:13 GMT 10
I was very disappointed in the workshop. Osby seemed to contradict himself a lot, saying he was into all sort of things but then generalising about music that wasn't jazz etc... he seemed very New York-centric.
In relation to sat nights band jP, a bass playing friend of mine asked Osby: (paraphrasing): So, did you set out to make the perth trio sound like your band or were you really interested in what they could bring to your music?
That made my day.
Omar was interesting, I always appreciate musicians who have the ability to create a 'vibe' in the audience, which the trio certainly did. Although aesthetically I did not appreciate some of the groove elements, they had a great rapport with each other and created some really interesting sounds. I really liked the idea of a latin band that didn't sound like they were playing salsa hits of the 70's, like the ones I play in...
and to the people standing in front of me shaking their groove things, your arse was wasted on me.
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Post by tinky on Mar 1, 2006 11:13:51 GMT 10
I have to say that Osby certainly has a lot of interesting ideas and obviously knows his history, but I don't think it is reflected in his music. I found the gig very limited in imagination of approach to form, rhythm and texture.
It is very much reflective of the 'have horn will travel' mentality, its a shame that artists like this can't bring out their own bands to perform their original music, though I suspect the result may be similar.
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Post by jvmac on Mar 1, 2006 18:12:16 GMT 10
I was wondering if his live album 'public' was a guide to go by, it did not excite me at all, strange mix of tunes as well. The concert didn't flow, what was on the CD anyway. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by aj on Mar 1, 2006 19:05:32 GMT 10
I've had mixed feelings about Osby's albums, eg I agree that Public (like 3-D Lifestyles) didn't do it for me ; on the other hand, I think cds like Channel Three & Invisible Hand & Further Ado (& others with people like Steve Coleman, Andrew Hill & Von Freeman) show that Osby does have a pretty original & strong concept as a composer and as a player.
Saturday's gig did have the 'soloist with a pickup' band sound. I'm sure it would have been a stronger representation of what he can do, had he brought his own band, or had we heard the Sydney lineup.
Can't comment on the workshop as I wasn't there. But I have to say, the bassist's question strikes me as a little naive / disrespectful. Did Osby want the trio to sound like his own band ? Well, yes, I'd say he would have been hoping for that ; I'd also say that 99% of the audience were hoping that too. Should he have learned a few of Graham Wood's numbers for the concert ?
I mean, sure, let's not put every US musician on a pedestal ; but I wonder what is achieved by having a young (student ?) musician trying to be a smartarse at the expense of a visiting musician who does have a few runs on the board, and has made the effort to go out to Monash to do a workshop.
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Mar 1, 2006 19:31:30 GMT 10
I wasn't there at the workshop, but it seems to me that the "bassist"s question wasn't at all smart-arse, in fact, it's a perfectly reasonable question.
Ceratinly, a lot of musicians would have a concept for what they would want a rhythm section to sound like, and as a lot of rhythm section players have the ability to 'bend' to a certain extent to adapt to different styles, it was ceratinly a possibility for osby if he had've wanted to do that.
It is no doubt the mark of a great leader that they can get the best out of their sidemen, and from what I've heard about osby's records, this is something he seems to be able to do.
A question regarding osby's treatment of and interest in different rhythm sections, especially considering his experience in using and encouraging younger players seems a very pertinent question to me.
THat said, I went to neither concert or workshop. haven't heard any of his CD's either. so there you go.
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Post by aj on Mar 1, 2006 19:40:53 GMT 10
as I said, I wasn't at the workshop, so maybe it was a perfectly reasonable question..........it's just the way it was related here had overtones of 'up yours, mate'.
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Mar 1, 2006 22:50:39 GMT 10
oh. yeah. reading shannons post properly this time I see what you mean. I wonder if he's reading all this?  ? |
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Post by shaggaz on Mar 2, 2006 10:09:45 GMT 10
I'm pretty sure the question was not asked in order to be a smart arse, but it was asked because the bassist was truly interested, not as a bassist but as a musician. I think what he was asking is do you travel around trying to replicate your music the same way each time with different people? Or do you strive to create new music with your tunes or standards as a vehicle?
I just think it's important that people are trying to create meaningful music. I didn't see the gig, I can't comment on that.
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Post by tinky on Mar 2, 2006 12:08:15 GMT 10
Agreed aj, visiting artists should be treated with respect. I do however think this was a good question that I hope was delivered properly. I've done a bit of the pick up stuff and its a hard thing to do. From all reports Osby is a very possitive and open musician to work with so I'm sure his thoughts on the subject would be to let the musos add what they can to the music. I would have loved to heard the Syd gig as he was very impressed with the guys there. I wonder if ABC or someone recorded it, anyone know???
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Post by shaggaz on Mar 2, 2006 16:27:55 GMT 10
well whatever my opinions thanks to perth festival and martin jackson for bringin him out. And thanks to March and Rob Burke for setting up the workshop  |
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Post by Kenny on Mar 4, 2006 11:20:55 GMT 10
This was posted by Greg Osby on his thread at AAJ:
"Just back in from Australia. Simply amazing country and probably the most humane place I've ever visited. Great food, views, access, conditions etc... Everyone should visit there at least once if they're able to do so.
"Word to young musicians in the US: The world is getting smaller everyday and players everywhere have caught up to the level of Americans in a variety of ways. I recognize this as a good thing, as it allows all artists to communicate more readily and it universalizes the language even further. It also sends a beacon out to folks who are wasting time and not involving themselves in progressive and productive activities. I hear musicians everywhere, everyday who can play exceptionally well and it's very encouraging to discover promising activitiy in what is perceived as "remote" locations. The music is in a good space."
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 4, 2006 12:17:16 GMT 10
it universalizes the language even further. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhh! Help!! Nooooooooooooooooo!! Heaven forbid! *thinks briefly about killing self* |
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