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Post by millie on Mar 4, 2006 12:32:33 GMT 10
What are you saying Stevo? - you dont like that there are players in OZ holding the torch for the jazz voice of America?Or that the word language should not have been used here? Please dispense with gutteral utterances and be your usual articulate self...for the sake of this ignorant but adoring fan....
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Post by ironguts on Mar 4, 2006 14:47:05 GMT 10
This Osby fellow sounds like a politician.
So if its universifying the language I heard him use, then it is a sad thing for sure. He was boring, unimaginative, but a very nice guy. Garry Bartz is a nice guy too, Steve told me on PBS today, he sounded bloody lame too. Could hardly play in time, no ideas and a shit sound, but a very nice guy. I'd rather ba an arsehole.
yes I hear you,,, you are IG, you are.
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 4, 2006 14:48:12 GMT 10
If it's a language - which incidentally I contest - then who says it should be 'universalised'? The implication that we should all speak the same language, i.e. play the same music, is - well, it's the subject of another thread at the moment. Local identities stand to be monstered in such a simplistic clamour for globalisation; in tertiary education at the moment (to take an example) the push to be internationally competitive, along with the government's reluctance to look at the bill, let alone pick it up, mean that distinctive local voices are at risk of being silenced. Any idea that we should puff our chests out with pride because Greg Osby thinks (on the strength of his brief visit) that we live in a humane country, or (according to his own aesthetic) that we're up to speed musically, is misguided, although as usual there will be those who hang on his words because he lives in New York City. People are quick to reach for the cane when Wynton Marsalis says this kind of stuff, aren't they? It just all makes me very suspicious. And bored. And tired.
Of course someone will probably hasten to argue that Osby simply meant there are proficient players here, or that music is being studied seriously and there are good consequences in performance. Okay, but if that's what he meant, why didn't he say that? The 'universal language' thing is, to me, quite different, and it's the unchecked utterance of words like this that gives the game away.
Millie, who are you? I can only think of one person who calls me Stevo, and he writes here under another name.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 4, 2006 15:04:29 GMT 10
Hey stevo, well said.
Seppo's love it if we are seen to be taking their shit on. By him saying we're good at it he's really saying" look, our jazz is so great even the Aussies are wanting to , and actually are, playing it and getting good at it.
The truth is that they're strugging for idea's, at least the conservatives are. In recent history Wynton has become Duke, and Wallace Rooney has turned into Miles, Vincent Herring is Cannonball and now the Italian 'Genius' will be Bird. What the fuck is this shit??
Lets hope those locals that are at risk of being silenced find a way to keep going.
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 4, 2006 18:56:32 GMT 10
Yep Tim - I 've said my bit about the place of music in universities - unless there is a place for music alongside medicine - for the health of the nation - Doctor Nelson would have loved that....
We are seeing the return of a notional cultural identity to the street....our learning institutions as the doctor(Stevens) says, are now to become globally competitive - because the markets(international students) are becoming harder to procure as Asia starts to combat the loss of its wealthy youth to the west..they are gearing up to offload any responsibility that pertains to a local culture-much like the government itself.
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Post by aj on Mar 8, 2006 8:45:01 GMT 10
Too lazy/inept to post it here, but for those who are interested, John Clare's review of Osby's Sydney gig is on www.sima.org.au |
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