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Post by jazzpolice on Mar 4, 2006 10:35:04 GMT 10
ig what if i don't want to be a jazz player or a free player but just want to play my own music. you idiot all you can think of is categorising put everyone in there box free bop swing post bop etc etc you are so narrow go talk to march, he might teach you something about music and life
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Post by ironguts on Mar 4, 2006 12:18:06 GMT 10
Talk to a child to learn about music and life? Right.
What is your music JP? Do you know? Can you tell me? How did you get there? Are you sure its yours??
Play be-bop lines over a tricky odd time latin beat, move to the flat 6 minor and its your music, right .
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Post by jazzpolice on Mar 4, 2006 12:29:52 GMT 10
hey ig, my interpretation of latin music in odd time signatures with flat 6 minor chords is second to none. i know what my music is. my music is from my life, who are you to judge what i am. you're all talk: your music is nowwhere near as tough as you say it is. That's right, i've heard those bootlegs. i know what you sound like: nothing. you are nothing
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Post by cartman on Mar 4, 2006 13:25:17 GMT 10
hey ig, my interpretation of latin music in odd time signatures with flat 6 minor chords is second to none. i know what my music is. my music is from my life, who are you to judge what i am. you're all talk: your music is nowwhere near as tough as you say it is. That's right, i've heard those bootlegs. i know what you sound like: nothing. you are nothing Dude! are you a girl? |
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Post by giannim on Mar 4, 2006 15:08:10 GMT 10
Hey all, I feel I should put in my 20 cents worth as I was the trumpet player on the gig that Vicki is talking about. I too was very frustrated by what went on . I was not the 'leader' so I just put up with it I guess. I am a musicain who happens to know alot of standards, and I feel I do have a very strong sense of harmony and melodic line.I did not study jazz at an institute, which has both good and bad points, but basically it meant I followed my intuition alot. Bill Evans once said "knowledge should lead intuition" and I think this is a very important part in how I think about music. Knowledge really does give freedom to the improvisor. I often get really frustrated by the whole obsession with 'style'. I love hearing Tinkler play over standard progressions when we get together ('trumpet camp'), he has such a fresh, interesting approach and it is obvious that he is well aware of the harmony an a very high level. But I can't do what he does of course, I have to follow what I hear.That is honest. But I sure wish people who think it is old hat and boring to play standards would not try and get up and play them! I have a trio album coming out later this year with frank Disario and Darren Archer that is all original material, and alot of it 'freely' improvised. I aslo recently recorded an album of standards, that is how my eclectic brain works! But one truth remans. If young muso's want to work in the professional world, and work alot, they need to learn standards!It is frustrating for all if they fake it all night.Honesty I guess is what we all search for.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 4, 2006 15:12:12 GMT 10
JP, your music is from your life? Better go live a little more before you play again, the world don't need more life like that.
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Post by tinky on Mar 4, 2006 15:22:46 GMT 10
I think it might be time to calm some of this down. Fun is fun but maybe we should try to not get too personal or negative here. After all this is supposed to be a community.
We are lucky here in that we have many fine musicians posting here offering insights into their lives and opinions, it would be good if this could continue as many possitives arrise from such things.
It is great to have opposite views but lets not degrade it to locker room towell snapping, someone will get hurt, though it wont be me.
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Post by jazzpolice on Mar 4, 2006 15:29:38 GMT 10
you're right tinky. this base arguing gets us nowhere. i'd prefer to spend my time on something more worthwhile. got a recording of the brisi gig yet?
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Post by jazzpolice on Mar 4, 2006 15:31:18 GMT 10
fuck ig how did you get my phone no.? i don't want no more prank calls. that's harrassment
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Post by tinky on Mar 4, 2006 18:23:31 GMT 10
No recording as yet, probably monday. From all reports its "off its guts" ( as Ken said)
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Post by marksiks on Mar 5, 2006 20:52:24 GMT 10
Standards aren't something to be afraid of - they're just songs. The more songs you know, the more of a grip you get on western harmony and structure. Antboy, you can't blame the SONGS just because dodgy hornplayers are using them as backing whilst they spew up crappy lines over the top.
Listen to coltrane play a standard. It's the music you create that makes it, Antboy. You should know that!
You gotta learn the rules before you can break them.
m6
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Post by antboy on Mar 5, 2006 22:02:01 GMT 10
Standards aren't something to be afraid of - they're just songs. The more songs you know, the more of a grip you get on western harmony and structure. Antboy, you can't blame the SONGS just because dodgy hornplayers are using them as backing whilst they spew up crappy lines over the top. Listen to coltrane play a standard. It's the music you create that makes it, Antboy. You should know that! You gotta learn the rules before you can break them. m6 yeah yeah, wasn't my piont at all ! read again my friend, l ain't against standards, all l was doing was questioning their relevancy for younger musicians. |
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Post by ironguts on Mar 6, 2006 8:59:46 GMT 10
"You gotta learn the rules before you can break them."
What crap, plenty of rules can be broken with no knowledge of the rule at all. The only rule here seems to be that Jazz Police uses others ideas and sayings to get through life. No imagination at all.
Now you'll probably come back at me with someone elses retort feeling like you've been really clever.
Next time you should answer the phone, unless you need time to think of what someone else might say?
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Post by tinky on Mar 6, 2006 13:43:12 GMT 10
If you don't know the rules then you can't break them with any awareness of what your doing. Surely its better to have knowledge and thus control over the situation. I guess for me that way I can exsist on both sides, liding in and out of the rules in any given situation. Besides, don't thay say ignorance is no excuse, sorry IG, that means you!
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Post by ironguts on Mar 6, 2006 13:51:01 GMT 10
Oh, now the tough tinky winky has a go. If ignorance is not an excuse, then it doesn't matter if you know the rules or not then, you still go to jail, enter Jazz police ( mister no ideas ).
I must say winky tinky, that I've never heard you exsist inside the rules, so I have no evidence that you really have an idea anyway, you seem to make your own rules up which is fine, but don't preach to me about exsisting where you havent been.
Like Antboy says, if you learn the rules then you have to un learn them, why not just skip the middle man and ignore them altogether?
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