tinky
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hello, how am I.
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Post by tinky on Mar 25, 2006 19:11:41 GMT 10
You can all fuck off,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
sorry, ironguts is still alive in spirt.
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jamie
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Now to find a junkie...
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Post by jamie on Mar 25, 2006 22:30:30 GMT 10
glad you've recovered
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Post by mim on Mar 25, 2006 23:59:21 GMT 10
One thought: I certainly do portray myself in my ramblings as someone who perceives a separation between learning the history and finding oneself. In a way I think I do this to defend the right of young players to not immediately make this search their top musical priority. But when I actually think about it, many of us are always on that search for individuality, even if it's not in the forefront of our mind. The way I go about it is always looking and listening for other artists who I feel I identify with. It's not going so far as to find the target no one else can see, necessarily, as I'm not looking to perform an act of genius at this stage. One step at a time. Process over product, right?
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Post by antboy on Mar 26, 2006 3:52:23 GMT 10
hey mim,
"The way I go about it is always looking and listening for other artists who I feel I identify with",
to me that is crucial,
and by playing with these kinds of people that I've been attracted to definately helps the search become a little clearer from time to time,
also something Mark Isaacs said earlier about Monk and Roger Frampton, forget about what you "should" be listening to, practising etc, what about what you "want" to listen to practise etc...
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Post by mim on Mar 26, 2006 14:16:01 GMT 10
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jpatt
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some saying,
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Post by jpatt on Mar 26, 2006 19:28:03 GMT 10
reading all this gear has reminded me of a very early target i had before i went through the.. establishment..and i havn't got near that at all. damn.
maybe cause so many people have so many new targets for you. and everyone elses target looks so much shinier than yr own. but then turns out to be, um, like aluminium.
i wonder if i hadn't gone to that school...
that's the least good work i've done in a three year span ever.
hi i'm new here.
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Post by plunk on Mar 27, 2006 8:52:00 GMT 10
that's the least good work i've done in a three year span ever.
I read things like this and despair...When people start looking for answers in the institutional realm....when they arrive, programmed to receive -they start missing the point. At best an institution is a formalised meeting place where processes are embarked upon - not always successfully. But if you really want it you keep trying.... I do ,and I'm still struggling with things -as i expect to as long as I can lift a finger. The other thing about music schools, for many students , is the loss of control over aspects of your direction.Coming out of the other end can be like a rebirth for some, and like being abandoned , for others.
Most of all - the myth that institutions somehow fast-track people to a higher plane is just a product of our consumerism and lack of rigour when it comes to taking personal responsibility for our own vision.
Uni never taught me a thing about managing my career - i wish it had - but I dont waste time regretting that now. I learnedother things in Uni twenty years ago that are just making sense to me,priceless things.Knowing can be so non -linear.
Metheny once said that the music education process for him could have happened in or out of school - he felt he would have ended up in the same place.
The role of a school has to be recognised as having certain benefits, in regard to sustaining some creative work environment. But that environment takes on the character of those who give as much as they take from it - as people and artists.
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Post by isaacs on Mar 27, 2006 9:30:08 GMT 10
I agree with all those comments. The one advice I give to young people about music school is for THEM to take more responsibility for what they get out of it. I regret I wasn't more proactive and demanding of my teachers (and I had great teachers) - often time was wasted in lessons and I sometimes didn't ask the things that I really wanted to know. So if you're there, you should run the show to a great extent not be driven by it.
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jpatt
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some saying,
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Post by jpatt on Mar 27, 2006 15:13:24 GMT 10
i'm actually having a great time at the moment practising. and i've met heaps of rad people.
i know i could've done more at in those years and i'm not blaming anyone else for it.
but there were lots of occasions where you'd give so much to a teacher.. working on the stuff THEY want you to work on, and the next week they've forgotten they even gave it to you, and you think " i coulda been doing MY stuff all that time"
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Some teachers really arn't interested in teaching. i reckon they just want the income so they can get their own shit happening.
but yeah i reckon i learned lots even when all i got was sheets with licks on it.
but just a side note... Private lessons were never a waste of time for me. ALWAYS great.
it was probably worth going just for that.
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