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Post by isaacs on May 31, 2006 6:16:27 GMT 10
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Post by sammo on May 31, 2006 11:01:31 GMT 10
Not really! I don't think people who make comments like that warrant much discussion!
We can talk about Maria though, one of the most beautiful writers around. 'Hang Gliding' of Allegresse is one of my all time favourite charts. The band section after the tenor solo is what dreams are made of!
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Post by isaacs on May 31, 2006 11:13:03 GMT 10
Yes, "Hang Gliding" is gorgeous. Maria was in Sydney a few years ago and assembled a great big band (incl. Dale Barlow, James Muller, Scott Tinkler etc) to play her music. I managed to score an invitation to the rehearsal, and loved it (much better than attending the gig in a park with thousands of people). Her conducting was very expressive and her writing beautiful.
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Post by kazuo on May 31, 2006 11:13:58 GMT 10
I agree Sammo - What's the point of this thread?
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Post by isaacs on May 31, 2006 11:30:07 GMT 10
I agree Sammo - What's the point of this thread? Well, since I started it, the point of the thread was I thought it might be a chance to have a discussion about a particular artist. I disagree totally with kingkazoo but s/he has the right to have a strong critical opinion, and at least some reasons are provided for the opinion which could be debated, with contrasting views fielded. If there's no point in doing that, there's no point to the forum. BTW, what's wrong with controversial opinion, as long as it relates to artistic criticism not personal attack? Why are people squeamish about it? If you don't like Maria Schneider's music at all you can say it here, if you like Diana Krall you can say it too. |
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Post by sammo on May 31, 2006 14:06:16 GMT 10
I had exactly the same experience in Canada Mark, she's a fantastic musician. Have you managed to get a hold of Days of Wine and Roses? (her second last release), I know you originally had to buy two bottles of wine to get it. I'm hunting it down!
I think her success is in large part due to her ability to put together a band perfect for that sound. There is only one Ben Monder on this planet, and she got him!
I agree that there's always room for criticism, but kingazoo's comments are unfounded. Sure Maria has been influenced by Gil Evans but to say her music simply imitates his is a little ridiculous.
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Post by Kenny on May 31, 2006 14:15:39 GMT 10
I haven't hear Days of Wine etc, but I think it's now freely available through her website or artistshare. I like some of her stuff a lot, the rest - that I've heard - not so much. Gil Evans? I can hear it, but increasingly faintly.
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Post by isaacs on May 31, 2006 14:19:56 GMT 10
I haven't heard that album. Speaking of her band, Jay Anderson is her regular bass player and loves working with her. Incidentally, I'll be hooking up with Jay in a few days in LA, making another CD together, along with James Muller, Steve Tavaglione and Vinnie Colaiuta. Bernie Kirsh, Chick Corea's long-time engineer, is recording it at Capitol Studios. All my originals.
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Post by kazuo on May 31, 2006 14:25:42 GMT 10
Once again, I agree with Sammo
My point wasn't that we shouldn't have open discussions about particular artists or controversial opinion. I was merely trying to(very briefly, but I would have thought ridiculously obviously) point out that the comment by kingkazoo was not particularly worthy of, well, anything really. Why not start a thread like - "Let's discuss the artistic merit of Maria Schneider" if that indeed is what you would like to talk about, and not add fuel to what appeared to me to be a pretty baseless slagging off of MS. I think we are above that. Why not lead from the front with constructive debate (which, I must admit is inadvertantly occurring anyhow)?
Frank, I'm sure Maria Schneider doesn't balk at criticism either, nor should she, but have you checked out Kingkazoo's comments - hmmm..... I think you are right, Kingkazoo does sound like a bit of a knob.
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Post by isaacs on May 31, 2006 14:43:35 GMT 10
Yes the topic name kingkazoo used is fairly tasteless. I gave the benefit of the doubt to that, it's a kind of a journalistic headline hyperbole isn't it? Attention-getting and all that. The content of the post made it clear that it wasn't "what's the point of MS as a human being". That would be truly awful. It's clearly meant as "what's the point of her music". Which, I repeat, is an opinion someone is entitled to hold and can be debated vigorously. It's good s/he said it because it started a conversation about her music, with passionate views in support being put. If we just look down our noses and ignore it as beneath contempt, that's an opportunity squandered to talk deeply about music here (and that hardly ever happens).
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Post by sammo on May 31, 2006 14:46:41 GMT 10
Thanks for that Kenny, I didn't realize she'd taken off the Wine stipulation! I've heard a couple of charts off Days and Wine and Roses, the title track is great, up tempo swing soprano feature. Would love to get it for a band i'm playing with down here but a few of the others are not soprano fans! (possibly another discussion mark?!), We have got and are playing Lately, which is a great chart.
I didn't realize she'd changed Bass players, just saw Jay Andersons name on the liner notes to Concert in the Garden. Good for him!
Yeah there is some Gil Evans in her writing. She was his student and copyist, though she's no Wallace Roney!
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Post by ladylex on May 31, 2006 14:57:40 GMT 10
Perhaps Kinkazoo is a motherf*cker and we just don’t know it yet. Music IS subjective though. But to aspiring female musicians who think the only path in the industry is only as a singer – she is extremely stimulating. Wow! Arranger, conductor, composer, excellent pianist (really a responsive touch) and lovely voice to boot. What can be wrong with any of that? She may not inspire Kinkazoo. But she inspires me – and many more. And at the end of the day, its who she touches really aint it.  |
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Post by giannim on May 31, 2006 18:01:46 GMT 10
Mairia's charts "Sea Of tranquility" and "Lately" are beautifully written.We try (!) to play them in the Melbourne Jazz Orchestra. She has that ability to write beautiful melodies as though they were improvised by the musician. There is something really special and organic about her writing.
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Post by aj on May 31, 2006 18:19:41 GMT 10
That's actually funny Frank : for a period back in the distant past, John Clare used to always spell it 'Barry Duigan'. (As I recall, he was writing pretty positive things about Barry's playing)
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Post by Kenny on Jun 1, 2006 11:26:46 GMT 10
I haven't heard that album. Speaking of her band, Jay Anderson is her regular bass player and loves working with her. Incidentally, I'll be hooking up with Jay in a few days in LA, making another CD together, along with James Muller, Steve Tavaglione and Vinnie Colaiuta. Bernie Kirsh, Chick Corea's long-time engineer, is recording it at Capitol Studios. All my originals. Mark, based on the unfortunate experience of watching Mr Colaiuta "play" with (the other) Bill Evans at MIJF a few years back, I can't think of a drummer less suitable for your music. Your music as I know it and, as I say, based only on that gig. I'm unaware of that drummer's wider CV and not in any hurry to explore it! |
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