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Post by ironguts on Dec 19, 2006 9:44:45 GMT 10
Well, why?
The music in this country is amazing on so many levels. Heaps of energetic youngsters putting in, older crew working away at their thing and a healthy community feel between the major cities- I say this having lived and worked heaps in all of them, not heaps in Perth though but with heaps of those Westies.
So do you think this forum is a reflection of this community? What are you on here for? Do you think anyone actually judges the Aus scene by this little chat group and if so who cares?
I have a ball here, just like hanging at a gig except I drink less at a gig. Obviously some people have certain expectations but take little action to direct the threads or conversation topics.
Before I revert back to my abusive loud mouth character, I'd like those people to know that I'm up for talking openly on any topic that they have issue or questions about. Until then though back to my shaft, mine shaft that is.
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Post by captain on Dec 19, 2006 11:24:26 GMT 10
Hah! Discussions about real topics? not likely...
Hear hear on the depth of talent in this country. Currently on high rotation in my CD player are Julien's new one, an old Frock CD (wow, I was late to the party with these guys) Allan Browne's 5 Bells album, some Julie O'Hara, and some Kris Wanders.
When I first got to Melbourne I was completely unaware of any music and groups outside the Fitzroy/Bennetts 'mainstream'. I feel kinda guilty that its taken me 3 years to discover some of the best shit.
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Post by ironguts on Dec 19, 2006 15:24:32 GMT 10
Isn't it great that there is so much great Australian music available now on cd, i'd so much rather buy the music from here than most of the US retro shit that is pouring out, even from BIG names. I think that a lot of the young players/groups here are drawing influence and inspiration from Australian releases more so than recent releases from elsewhere which is such a positive for music in this country.
The music that is being released by guys like Simon Barker on Kimnara goes to show the talent and diversity of music in Aus and the absolute quality and individuality too.
I remember seeing Greg Osby and Tim O'Dwyer in the same week last year ( early this year?) , I'd much rather hear Tim ( and Clay and Dazza) any day of the week, his band was on fire. The interesting thing to me was Osby didn't dig it at all, not 'jazz' enough I guess. To me Osby sounded predictable and very unexciting, not 'jazz' enough for me. Go figure.
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Post by jeremy on Dec 19, 2006 17:57:34 GMT 10
I find it interesting after working for the evil empire for almost a decade now, that the quality of the music being released by local artists is getting better by the year.
When I first started working here and listening to everything that came out, it was often the case that there would be only 3 or 4 'good' cd's that were released a year, nowdays it's 3 or 4 'good' cd's a month. Granted, my musical tastes and my ability to recognise genuine talent have evolved a little in that time, but I think the work ethic that goes into a recording lately is far more substantial than it used to be, as well as the musicians involved being more mature musically as well as having the years of gigging/practice starting to shine through on their recordings.
and yes, that's a personal opinion, not one of the evil empire. I also calssify 'good' as not only the styles of music I genuinely enjoy, but also the styles of music I might not go out of my way to listen to, but can recognise the talent/creativeness of.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no great critic that can recite bars of music off the top of my head or compare and contrast new vs. old jazz, I just know what I like listening to, and can appreciate what some artists are trying to achieve in their recordings, even if it's style isn't what I would normally listen to.
I also have to agree with guts in that I'm listening to far more locally released/produced cd's than international now and only go out of my way for the international stuff when it's recommended as being a 'must listen to' album.
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Post by captain on Dec 19, 2006 19:48:37 GMT 10
I like Osby, his solo concept is really interesting to listen to, however that doesn't seem to translate to an interesting concept for his bands.
A typical pitfall of a generation of musicians whose primary focus is 'hip lines', rather than a band/ensemble sound.
I do like his elastic rhythmic approach, and its great to hear melodies go in weird directions.
Discuss!
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Post by pettman on Dec 19, 2006 19:50:36 GMT 10
I'm afraid I've never come across this Greg Osby guy. I'll check him out and let you know what i think.
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Post by glean on Dec 19, 2006 21:09:16 GMT 10
Well, why? The music in this country is amazing on so many levels. Heaps of energetic youngsters putting in, older crew working away at their thing and a healthy community feel between the major cities- I say this having lived and worked heaps in all of them, not heaps in Perth though but with heaps of those Westies. So do you think this forum is a reflection of this community? What are you on here for? Do you think anyone actually judges the Aus scene by this little chat group and if so who cares? I have a ball here, just like hanging at a gig except I drink less at a gig. Obviously some people have certain expectations but take little action to direct the threads or conversation topics. Before I revert back to my abusive loud mouth character, I'd like those people to know that I'm up for talking openly on any topic that they have issue or questions about. Until then though back to my shaft, mine shaft that is. Guts dude are you gorwing up? man this place is a total BLAST for me its full of intelligence.....creativity.. anger..... passion...... stupidty..... art...... humour...... hate ......love .... feminism .....megolamania.......paranoia....insecurity..... hegemony....lust.....disrespect.......childishness....interesting minds....brilliant moments....insite....paranoia......prejudice.....predictibility....and respect & pananoiai and the adults in our house love it. its kind of a virtual Paris left bank of the 1950s in a different millenium in mainly pure Australian...we dont speak english here much.... bring on the republic.... & you know Rudd is a jazz fan? and the hated little bloke in glasses may reside in Sydney but he can;t use the POOL unless the Gov General gives him permission first! cos its between the two houses. hed probably wee in it anyway |
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Post by vickibonet on Dec 19, 2006 23:22:11 GMT 10
I find it interesting after working for the evil empire for almost a decade now, that the quality of the music being released by local artists is getting better by the year. When I first started working here and listening to everything that came out, it was often the case that there would be only 3 or 4 'good' cd's that were released a year, nowdays it's 3 or 4 'good' cd's a month. Granted, my musical tastes and my ability to recognise genuine talent have evolved a little in that time, but I think the work ethic that goes into a recording lately is far more substantial than it used to be, as well as the musicians involved being more mature musically as well as having the years of gigging/practice starting to shine through on their recordings. and yes, that's a personal opinion, not one of the evil empire. I also calssify 'good' as not only the styles of music I genuinely enjoy, but also the styles of music I might not go out of my way to listen to, but can recognise the talent/creativeness of. Don't get me wrong, I'm no great critic that can recite bars of music off the top of my head or compare and contrast new vs. old jazz, I just know what I like listening to, and can appreciate what some artists are trying to achieve in their recordings, even if it's style isn't what I would normally listen to. I also have to agree with Guts... I'm listening to far more locally released/produced cd's than international now and only go out of my way for the international stuff . Jeremy I agree with many of your points and with Guts Senior. There is more exciting music here in Melbourne than many other larger cities in the world. I have been bleating on about that one since I got back here ten years ago as some of you may recall (with a yawn). It's good to see people acknowledging they are part of an expanding healthy scene. BL and Wang have a lot to do with that and Half Bent, Make it Up, Lebowski's etc. And people who don't get nominated for Bell's or Arias like Henk, Stanley, chick fest admin women, Koster, unpaid jazz nerd broadcasters, volunteers at the festivals and boring farts who just go to the gigs and buy the cds (like me). So why am I here? I've got the hots for Glen's wife. Simon Barker eat your heart out. |
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Post by ironguts on Dec 20, 2006 15:39:14 GMT 10
Captain, I tend to think that Osby is an interesting player, or at least has interesting facets. I'm not sure I agree that he has an elastic approach to rhythm though. He mostly plays very straight eighth notes ocassionaly then slipping into triplets. He never seems to play slower subdivisions or indeed gradients of faster ones. His melodic approach is pretty much taken from Steve Coleman and is based around pentatonics ( a sound that shits me personally ) but it does bring in to play some intervalic variance. He has a sound that is full and rich too, unlike many on Alto, but it fails to inspire or excite me, maybe due to a lack of strength and variety with his articulation, I'd have to hear more to sort that one, but that is unlikely to happen.
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Post by captain on Dec 21, 2006 2:18:57 GMT 10
I think his sound is actually really small, he plays right into a mic live.
It's interesting you don't hear complex rhythms, I find he has a very unusual way of phrasing, which for some reason I dig way more than Steve Coleman. I'll try and dig up some examples from my collection.
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Post by glean on Dec 23, 2006 0:46:36 GMT 10
I think his sound is actually really small, he plays right into a mic live. It's interesting you don't hear complex rhythms, I find he has a very unusual way of phrasing, which for some reason I dig way more than Steve Coleman. I'll try and dig up some examples from my collection. Sorry got disargee with you therr Cap cos Coleman is King. |
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Post by captain on Dec 23, 2006 2:23:00 GMT 10
ehh, it' s just personal preference, I'd rather listen to Osby, if I had to choose between to nerdy intellectual alto styles.
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Post by alimcg on Dec 23, 2006 10:56:49 GMT 10
Isn't all jazz choosing between nerdy intellectual styles ;D
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Post by vickibonet on Dec 23, 2006 17:33:29 GMT 10
There are a thousands of Kings, Glenelg, just look in the phone book. At this moment in time my King is Freddy Hubbard.
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Post by glean on Jan 5, 2007 21:38:32 GMT 10
pushingus back to topic...............cos it's tooooooooo friggin hot to go out man phew .,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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