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Post by ladylex on Mar 1, 2007 10:35:37 GMT 10
pfft you are all so behind the times. Jazz has moved on to Electronica. Any of you been to any Berlin or Viennese nightclubs lately? Miles Davis is being played on the dancefloor with kids wigging out to Silent Way.  |
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Post by captain on Mar 1, 2007 17:41:09 GMT 10
Check out the Bad Plus' website, Ethan Iverson does a great interview with Crouch. Yes, you heard right, Crouch and the Bad Plus.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 1, 2007 20:02:47 GMT 10
for such knowledgeable people the music is shit, suits Stanley's opinions.
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Post by andrewh on Mar 2, 2007 6:58:46 GMT 10
pfft you are all so behind the times. Jazz has moved on to Electronica. Any of you been to any Berlin or Viennese nightclubs lately? Miles Davis is being played on the dancefloor with kids wigging out to Silent Way. I really must be behind the times. Vienna at the cutting edge of music for the first time in 100 years, wigging out back in the language after an absence of forty. There was I thinking it was the 21st century. |
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Post by captain on Mar 2, 2007 15:06:04 GMT 10
Cmon now, if Crouch likes the Bad Plus, they must be good! coz Stanley sez so...
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 2, 2007 16:39:47 GMT 10
But anyone who says 'the impossibly great Francisco Cafiso' is asking — begging — for his credibility to be doubted.
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Post by ironguts on Mar 2, 2007 16:45:54 GMT 10
he's right you know, it's impossible that he's great!
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Post by aj on Mar 2, 2007 17:28:18 GMT 10
But anyone who says 'the impossibly great Francisco Cafiso' is asking — begging — for his credibility to be doubted. Did Stanley actually say that ?? Maybe he woke up one morning and found Wynton's severed head in his bed ? |
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 2, 2007 18:15:43 GMT 10
Yes, he did. In the interview with Ethan Iverson, on the Bad Plus weblog page. And I quote:
SC: Then there is the impossibly great Francesco Cafiso, the young Italian alto player I discuss in Considering Genius. Nothing will stop a pure musician, not color, not culture, not geography. All they need is what Billy Higgins always told young musicians when they asked him for advice: "Get to a bandstand as soon as you can."
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Post by aka on Mar 2, 2007 21:01:16 GMT 10
Cafiso is a bit of a freak talent..his new recording is quite mature in approach rather than 6 million notes a second....S Crouch I grant you is like his surname...
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Post by ironguts on Mar 3, 2007 8:19:17 GMT 10
After hearing Caffiso play when here for the Umbria bullshit, I thought it would have to be at least 10 years before I'd bother again, the journey through puberty might do him good. There was nothing in his playing that appealed to me musically and I remember a phrase by someone to the effect that watching him there with that old guy on stage ( you know the Umbria geriatric ) was like "jazz pedophilia". It's funny how youth is worshiped by those who have lost it.
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Post by bodgey on Mar 3, 2007 11:37:55 GMT 10
pfft you are all so behind the times. Jazz has moved on to Electronica. Any of you been to any Berlin or Viennese nightclubs lately? Miles Davis is being played on the dancefloor with kids wigging out to Silent Way. Jazz has 'moved on' to electronica? Care to clarify? I lived in Berlin for most of last year, and I can tell you now that Miles is NOT being played on the dancefloor, and the kids are most definitely NOT 'wigging out' to In a Silent Way. Granted, a greater percentage of the population in places such as Berlin are aware and interested in 'jazz' than in Australia - but to make sweeping statements such as the above strikes me as a little absurd. Yes, occasionally a club will play some Kruder-Dorfmeister track from the mid 90's with some poorly chosen sample from Miles, Billy, Basie etc, and yes, maybe a club will occasionally even play some 70's 'jazz-fusion' rubbish - but this hardly qualifies as 'jazz moving on to electronica'. Smells a bit retrospective to me. ...and we all know about being retrospective, don't we Captain, AliMcg, JohnY and Scrotie McNutbag? Bloody Sydney. |
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Post by captain on Mar 3, 2007 12:39:43 GMT 10
as 'Aka' says - Cafiso has a very mature approach. This was what was mainly so scary for me when I heard him. Not only was he playing note-perfect mainstream bop, but he didn't overplay, he didn't double time on the slow blues, he didn't try and show up the band, he did everything 'right'. Yet as we all heard, there was so much missing.
I'm actually dissapointed that Crouch thinks he's good. He's beyond good, he's playing impossibly unnatural for someone of his age and upbringing. And as far as Wynton goes, to me he has always been someone more concerned with the feeling a fellow musician puts in, not their technical brilliance (which is why he plays with a Veal rather than a Pattituci, a Riley rather than Weckl). Which makes me wonder if he's really that enthusiastic about Cafiso's playing or whether he's just happy to play along with the prodigy bandwagon, and is hoping Cafiso plays some music soon.
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Post by cartman on Mar 3, 2007 13:49:41 GMT 10
Hey dudes! is Cafiso my dad?
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Post by ironguts on Mar 3, 2007 15:28:07 GMT 10
Hes' younger than you Cartbaby, but, you never know nowdays. I do think he is still a virgin too, even though Crouch would have it other ways I bet.
I wish I was your Dad. Maybe I could adopt you? Sort of like how Franky adopted Charlie. cepting I am older than you. xxoo
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