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Post by ironguts on Jun 4, 2009 8:45:04 GMT 10
Ha, thought you were already practicing, I'll let you have the last word then, mate.
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Post by isaacs on Jun 4, 2009 8:46:44 GMT 10
Playing around Messiaen Third Mode..... etc.... catch you next round.
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Post by aj on Jun 4, 2009 9:28:15 GMT 10
unless it's a BIG event!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look mate thanks very much but I don't need a lecture from you. If I took your advice I'd be like you. That's not meant as an insult, . Well, it should be!  |
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Post by isaacs on Jun 4, 2009 9:35:15 GMT 10
C D Eb E F# G Ab Bb B
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Post by jazzwife on Jun 10, 2009 0:18:12 GMT 10
My god, what a moronic load of crap....
James Morrison is not an artist?..I'll be sure to tell all the legends he played with over the years. Have you heard the stuff he does with the didg player ,or with his young band (with stockhousen), or his flugel solo on "My beautiful" live at The New Morinig in Paris...I could go on and on....There are many different types of artists,and this silly divide that certain musos like to put between what THEY consider creative music and what is 'mainstream' jazz is complete and utter bullshit. They only do it to define there own place in the world (eg,I am an artist because what I play is hard to understand and so complicated and pure....but James is only an entertainer etc etc cliche cliche....) Fucking get over yourself!!! Shut up and just play..stop judging everything that threatens your idea of 'art'..This forum only shows the small mindedness of so many players. Over and out..I am outa here!!!
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Post by vickibonet on Jun 10, 2009 9:42:25 GMT 10
Bye
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Post by punter on Jun 10, 2009 22:55:22 GMT 10
Oh jazzwife, you poor thing... of course there is no denying that Morrison can demonstrably play the trumpet well, he has great facility and brilliant control of the extreme register of the instrument, but what sort of statement is an album like Scream Machine making? (Have you heard that one?) It is basically a vehicle for displaying Morrison’s physical acumen on the trumpet, in competition, as it were, with four other trumpeters and backing band; beyond that it contains little of interest. There is nothing surprising about the improvisations, the group interplay or the compositions, which are utterly prosaic. The musical statement Morrison seems to be making is: ‘I am a virtuoso, check out my high notes and listen to me have fun playing my trumpet’.
James Morrison’s music questions nothing and challenges nothing, it certainly doesn’t move me and I am left with the distinct impression that he is not trying to move people. This is superficial music, it doesn’t tell the listener anything about who James Morrison is or where he lives, it is in fact the epitome of music as sport. He navigates all the chord changes at breakneck speed, he plays all the high notes – he is measurably and quantifiably a good trumpeter but in the end virtuosity (for me at least) is boring if it is not in the service of art. Art doesn't have to be 'difficult' and hard to understand but it does at least need to express an original thought or convey some kind of personal experience.
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Post by isaacs on Jun 11, 2009 8:08:04 GMT 10
Dear Punter, I have no wish to argue your views eloquently expressed.
I just want to make a general point that I find interesting regarding your reference to "Scream Machine" (an album I'm not familiar with).
Historically even the greatest artists have done some things for fun, or as trifles. This can be seen very strongly amongst the classical composers before the advent of modernism, where most wrote some throwaway pieces, for entertainment or fun, for a joke, or to muck around with a particular technical showy thing. For example, Mozart's Divertimenti or the myriad of "encore pieces" created by the Romantic composers. None were truly great music by any stretch of the imagination and it wouldn't be fair to characterise their output by these examples.
I don't want to argue about James. Clearly I believe he is an artist of real significance or I wouldn't be collaborating with him (those who may think I would do something purely for prestige or career advancement know nothing about me). I just want to make the point that it is a relatively new idea (found in very late Romanticism, modernism and post-modernism i.e. not much more than 100 years old) that a real artist is only ever wholly serious, and does nothing for fun. Jazz held out valiantly against that idea in many respects but also has largely now succumbed to it.
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Post by vickibonet on Jun 11, 2009 9:26:29 GMT 10
Dear Punter, I have no wish to argue your views eloquently expressed. I just want to make a general point that I find interesting regarding your reference to "Scream Machine" (an album I'm not familiar with). Historically even the greatest artists have done some things for fun, or as trifles. This can be seen very strongly amongst the classical composers before the advent of modernism, where most wrote some throwaway pieces, for entertainment or fun, for a joke, or to muck around with a particular technical showy thing. For example, Mozart's Divertimenti or the myriad of "encore pieces" created by the Romantic composers. None were truly great music by any stretch of the imagination and it wouldn't be fair to characterise their output by these examples. I don't want to argue about James. Clearly I believe he is an artist of real significance or I wouldn't be collaborating with him (those who may think I would do something purely for prestige or career advancement know nothing about me). I just want to make the point that it is a relatively new idea (found in very late Romanticism, modernism and post-modernism i.e. not much more than 100 years old) that a real artist is only ever wholly serious, and does nothing for fun. Jazz held out valiantly against that idea in many respects but also has largely now succumbed to it. I have to say that I'm with you Mark and I've heard him play some incredibly moving music at times. Although not everything he does is my cup of tea - but I probably haven't heard most of his work either. Also I think Morrison is a victim of his own success and if he wasn't as successful (and comfortable with it) he wouldn't be regarded the way he is in the scene. Poor love . |
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Post by isaacs on Jun 11, 2009 9:35:21 GMT 10
Just a fun aside. I was talking to James the other night and he was speaking enthusiastically about a Karlheinz Stockhausen piece where multiple helicopters were required to descend onto the stage. I jokingly said "People don't realise you got all your stuff from Stockhausen" (referring to his antics such as abseiling onto the stage). But interesting how essentially the same thing can have such different resonances when done by one artist or another, or under the guise of High Modernism or Entertainment. Are they really that different? (and I'm not seriously comparing James to Stockhausen of course, although he has played with his son!)
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Post by dodgy on Jun 11, 2009 11:41:19 GMT 10
Oh jazzwife, you poor thing... there is no denying Morrison can demonstrably play the trumpet well, ... but what sort of statement is an album like Scream Machine making? It's a pity jazzwife has opted out. Things were just getting interesting. But I'm with you, Punter, on Scream Machine. I love the instrument and readily acknowledge Morrison's ability to reach the high registers, but I would not pick that album as anything like a good example of how the horn can speak to the heart or set the pulse racing. I tried the album a couple of times, then put it in the out pile. That said, in my limited experience James Morrison is a likable (that spelling is News Ltd style and does not mean he can be licked) and engaging character who clearly loves to entertain. I think it is the material he plays, and maybe the emphasis on virtuosity, that limits his appeal to me. Also, I find his tone nowhere near as appealing as that of such players as Steve Grant, Eugene Ball, Peter Knight or Gianni Marinucci. And for sheer delight in guts and hair-raising (if I had some) horn, you can't go past Guts, at least in his pre-cardigan-wearing-academic phase. But I concede that if James Morrison decided to move me with his trumpet playing, he most probably could. It may be largely a question of what he prefers to do with his skills. |
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Post by isaacs on Jun 11, 2009 11:51:43 GMT 10
He doesn't just play the trumpet, to add an obvious point that the whole of Australia knows. His approach to trombone and euphonium (for example) is completely different from trumpet.
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Post by trumpetguy on Jun 11, 2009 13:03:03 GMT 10
Oh jazzwife, you poor thing... Punter, don't be so patronising, it demeans your argument significantly.................. |
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Post by vickibonet on Jun 11, 2009 15:25:41 GMT 10
He doesn't just play the trumpet, to add an obvious point that the whole of Australia knows. His approach to trombone and euphonium (for example) is completely different from trumpet. Gotta say I really like his trombone playing most out of what he does. |
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Post by utensils on Jun 11, 2009 16:11:03 GMT 10
When are we going to see James team up for "Scream Machine II" with Jon Hassell, Arve Henriksen and Axel Doerner? Last man sitting!
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