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Post by Kenny on Dec 8, 2004 10:28:13 GMT 10
I love the Jarrett trio a lot, but don't need THAT much of it. I think my fave of the ones I either have or have heard is the double Whisper Not, coz it's so many tunes from the bop days.
One problem I have with the trio's live recordings is the really jarring influx of rapturous applause from the always large audiences after each tune - and often as the tune starts and they applaud themselves for recognising Autumn Leaves or whatever. Sheeesh!
The most I have enjoyed Potter was definitely his Melbourne shows, which were elevated by the great work of Sam Keevers, Tony Paye and Scott Lambie - for which they got in reward a rather nasty caning by one local critic!
Never warmed to his albums, not that I've tried that hard. The Holland band I want to love, but for me the sum is definitely not as great as the parts.
Colin Steele - The Journey Home. Scottish jazz sent to me by an AAJ buddy. Growing on me.
Von Freeman - The Great Divide
Gil Askey/Paul Williamson - Whe I grow Too Old To Dream. Yowza - great swinging stuff. And hey - Paul better watch out, coz as Michael Jordan proves on Caravan, he gives the boss a run for his money in the singing steaks!
Steve Kuhn/Gary McFarland - October Suite
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Post by happy on Dec 8, 2004 10:41:11 GMT 10
I love the Jarrett trio a lot, but don't need THAT much of it. I think my fave of the ones I either have or have heard is the double Whisper Not, coz it's so many tunes from the bop days. hmm.. maybe I'll give it a shot...I have to say I think aj's McEnroe analogy is pretty on the money! Interesting that most people enjoyed the Potter Melbourne shows - I couldn't help feeling that there were much better bebop players in the audience the night that I saw. But personally I wasn't convinced about the choice of rhythm section - not that they didn't play well, I just felt they didn't really connect with him. I think the first playing of his I really got excited about was on a album of trumpeter Ryan Kisor, that was something else. love Mike Jordan's Mose Allison impersonations...! |
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Post by Kenny on Dec 11, 2004 10:22:57 GMT 10
Henry Mancini - Touch Of Evil. Hmmmm, tasty, west coasters galore on cool soundtrack to the best movie ever made.
Eric Alexander - Dead Center
Shelley Manne Septet - West Coast Sounds
Williamson/Askey - When I Grow Too Old To Scream
Papa John Defrancesco - Walking Uptown
The Par Three Eagles - Kylie Sux, But I Love Him
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Post by galaxian on Dec 12, 2004 0:01:18 GMT 10
I I couldn't help feeling that there were much better bebop players in the audience the night that I saw ....... hooray if there were! but what does this mean? more information please. |
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Post by happy on Dec 13, 2004 8:07:39 GMT 10
....... hooray if there were! but what does this mean? more information please. Just that I find it unfortunate that we often make a huge fuss about overseas players (especially Americans) but don't necessarily respect our own. And on that night I felt that there were fine musicians there in the audience contributing to it saying 'oh yes this is wonderful' simply because the guy's address has numbers in it (it's a joke - i.e. he's from New York and all the streets have numbers...). Now i'm going to get people flaming me up saying would you rather people didn't come out and all that crap - NO I am always immensely grateful when players come all the way out here AND I know if we don't support the shows and talk it up then the next tour might not get up and all of that BUT if we want the public here to understand the quality of music we have right here in this country then we have to give credit where credit is due and not just blindly suck up to the yanks. they don't need us telling them how good they are anyway, they can do it themselves quite happily   ;D |
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Post by aj on Dec 13, 2004 13:28:35 GMT 10
I agree with a lot of what you say there happy ; but I hope we don't get to the stage where we feel we need to demonstrate support for local talent by overstating the case, and claiming they're ALL necessarily better than ANYONE from overseas.
eg you clearly were disappointed by Potter's playing when he was here ; we'd have to agree to disagree on that.....but 'there were better bebop players in the audience' ? with respect, I'd say that's stretching it somewhat.
It's like another post a while back, when someone said Graeme Lyall's a great saxophone player (which he is), then went on to dig a hole by saying he's far better than Cannonball or Shorter. I mean, you're allowed to like one musician more than another, but a bit of perspective, please.....................
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Post by happy on Dec 15, 2004 13:07:14 GMT 10
I agree with a lot of what you say there happy ; but I hope we don't get to the stage where we feel we need to demonstrate support for local talent by overstating the case, and claiming they're ALL necessarily better than ANYONE from overseas. oh for sure, don't misunderstand me. I'm just trying to explain my response to one particular night when the music didn't particularly excite me. I'm happy to disagree about the quality of the audience! ;D Yes, it probably is stretching it, but that was my honest response. the problem all starts with this concept of 'better' , doesn't it, which leads into the problem of assessing objective worth of a piece of music (ouch!) We in the jazz world are happy to claim that with more industry and media support there would be a bigger audience in the general public, but we're not quite so keen to extend that generosity to the way that jazz is marketed and the perceptions of 'greatness' that we derive from that. The recent books on A Love Supreme and Kind Of Blue are particularly insightful as to the marketing machinations of the labels (and artists!!!!) involved. These are two of my (and most people's in this forum, I would suggest) all time favourite albums, so I'm not denying their validity as art, but I think we always need to be aware of the promotional process involved in creating a 'great artwork'. If Miles wasn't signed to Columbia, we might never have heard anything...likewise if Bach didn't have a permanent residency with the Lutheran Church!!!! |
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Post by Kenny on Dec 15, 2004 13:36:49 GMT 10
likewise if Bach didn't have a permanent residency with the Lutheran Church!!!! Is that a jazz club? Where is it? Do they have a no-talking policy? Do they have a happy hour?  |
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Post by aj on Dec 16, 2004 7:26:14 GMT 10
Fair point Happy.
Actually, I think if Miles had cut KOB for (say) Prestige, people who frequent OJF would have got to know about it & love it. But it would have sold about 20% of what it has via Columbia.
And you could name at least half a dozen other LPs by the Coltrane Quartet that are just as powerful and inspired as ALS, that are much less widely recognised.
As for objectively assessing music : you could argue that it's meaningless, but a lot of us seem to enjoy talking about it anyway, don't we ?
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Post by Kenny on Dec 16, 2004 8:50:20 GMT 10
As for objectively assessing music : you could argue that it's meaningless, but a lot of us seem to enjoy talking about it anyway, don't we ? Wot? |
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Post by Kenny on Dec 16, 2004 12:57:55 GMT 10
ALS? A Large Souvlaki?
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Post by Kenny on Dec 17, 2004 12:52:53 GMT 10
Paul Williamson Quartet - Mutant Mongrel Mayhem. Holy cow!  |
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Post by Kenny on Dec 18, 2004 14:35:11 GMT 10
Paul Grabowsky - Tales Of Time And Space. Let this one slip off the radar for a while, but right now it's sounding great.
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Post by Kenny on Dec 23, 2004 11:30:19 GMT 10
Mike Wofford Trio - Live At Athenaeum Jazz
Holly Hoffman - Mino Miracle
My ozjazz-lovin' buddy James in San Diego sent me these two for Christmas - with personal messages to moi written by the artists!
Both discs from this husband (piano)-and-wife (flute) team are on the nifty label Capri Records and feature Lewis nash on drums and Peter Washington on bass.
This is the third Wofford album James has sent me, so I'm well in the groove with this amazing pianist, who has worked extensively with the likes of Ella Fitzgerald and Bud Shank. This one is the pick of them - live piano trio jazz of the very, very highest order. Great sound, too. YUMMMY.
Holly might win me over to the flute cause yet - this newie sounds pretty good.
It's interesting getting insights in the southern California scene from James - seems at least a little comparable to the Australian scene. Maybe without the weirdness. Or maybe that's just not James's bag. I'll ask him. (Then again: He digs the hell out of En Rusk and Paul Williamson, so WTFDIK?)
Hey AJ: Mike and Holly would be a beaut score for Wangaratta.
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Post by Kenny on Dec 25, 2004 13:06:30 GMT 10
Welcome to Christmas Day - hope you're all having a swell one. In the office - having chowed down on Murdoch-issue turkey, ham, pork, gravy, spuds (hold the ?>*&%$ pumpkin, willya?!), sticky date pud with custard and salad I would feed a rabbit - and it's down to a hard slog for another paper. All things considered, though, this here ain't a bad place to be today. All things considered ...
Tomasz Stanko Quartet - Suspended Night
John Coltrane - The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings. Playing it right now - freaking loud. Whoooosh!
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