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Post by old fool on Sept 25, 2005 16:16:15 GMT 10
oh sonia you are so wrong!
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Post by drummergirl on Sept 25, 2005 16:30:33 GMT 10
sonia?
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Post by mim on Sept 25, 2005 18:19:46 GMT 10
hear, hear!
(Umm, regarding 3 posts back...)
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Post by longy on Sept 26, 2005 8:25:00 GMT 10
not enough people support live music full stop, how many of the music crew didnt make it to half bent??
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Post by stomachache on Sept 26, 2005 9:48:22 GMT 10
agreed, that was really sobering to see at half bent. there is a real crisis in general going on in melbourne with the amount of punters heading out to see new live improvised music.
all jazz/improvised music lovers, and of course the musos themselves, should be supporting the local produce a lot more...these vocalists included deserve more community support.
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Post by jazz vs sport on Sept 26, 2005 12:25:08 GMT 10
Sure thing, they do. Some of them are fabulous and interesting and still have a rough time being accepted. But, in the same way I wouldn't go see a trumpeter trying to sound like freddie hubbard, or a saxophone player performing only coltrane, I do not want to go and support vocalists who sing jazz standards all night without putting a skerrick of imagination into it. Obviously I am not talking about Alison, Gian, Sophie, Elana and others here. However, big ups to projects like the Geoff Hughes one at Half Bent and Andrea Kellers group that include singers as instrumentalists. Here we go: do you think in order to "progress", singers need to involve themselves in more projects where they are not the focus? Where they are an "equal" voice in the ensemble?
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Post by just wondering on Sept 26, 2005 16:35:52 GMT 10
I'm just wondering what would it take to make a vocalist an "equal voice" and not the focus? Would the vocalist have to cut out the lyrics of tunes to not be the focus in an ensemble? Just sing scat syllables? Just do "free" material? Never sing standards? Only do originals? Wear less-revealing or less-dressy clothes? Does the vocalist have to change the name of his/her own band to not include his/her own name?
I do think vocalists need to strive to be MUSICIANS- not someone who just sings the melody on the page or copies something they heard Ella do 30 years ago - that's for sure.
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Post by Bop on Sept 26, 2005 17:16:03 GMT 10
what the vocalist must do is stand on his por her head and drink water whilst singing. that will do it. Just ask Emma Sidney.
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Post by tigress on Sept 26, 2005 19:03:45 GMT 10
"...Here we go: do you think in order to "progress", singers need to involve themselves in more projects where they are not the focus? Where they are an "equal" voice in the ensemble?..."
i personally find the use of voice in contemporary instrumental jazz projects really darn interesting when done effectively. yes, agreed geoff and andrea should be commended. lets see more projects simialrly using 'the voice' as opposed to a 'singer'...two very different things right there.
there are several voice users in melbourne that could do it really interestingly.
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Post by belindablahblah on Sept 29, 2005 22:17:50 GMT 10
i'm a song fan. long live the lyric. i love to hear the story sung. and when someone does it well it's as classy as anything. true, 'tis a pity that when this generally happens all eyes and ears are mostly on the singer, there often is an interesting mesh of musical personality going on. ( or at least the possiblity of ) it's a pity i cant think of a group that a singer leads where her/his name isnt the focus of a band name. it doesnt do much to promote the sense of 'group' if that is your objective. but they are just fringe issues really.... i could care less if im in the aural company of something i find musically beautiful.
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Post by Belindas old mate on Sept 30, 2005 16:59:32 GMT 10
hey moody why don't you answer your email?
Huh???
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Post by mim on Sept 30, 2005 17:01:58 GMT 10
Well said, Belinda. I don't ever want my name in the title of a band, mainly because I don't like my name. It doesn't really work from a marketing perspective, I don't think... Having said that, there are many reasons why a singer would title their band that way, marketing and recognisability I'm sure have a lot to do with it. (Possibly you can't think of group led by a singer without their name in the title because you remember the ones that do?  ) Anyway, often it's because they write a lot of the music, and that's not just singers, many instrumentalists do it too. Andrea Keller, Paul Williamson, Matt Keegan, Jamie Oehlers, all have groups with their name in the title and it works for them. It's just that the lyric does tend to draw the focus from the band when it's a singer at the front. Does that mean singers should stop singing lyrics? Perhaps for certain projects. |
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Post by me on Oct 1, 2005 11:35:11 GMT 10
singers tell a story in a language that most people can relate to musical eduction or not. that is why people like them. and because everyone enjoys singing, even if it is just in the shower people can relate to them more easily because they can see themselves in that role, that is why all the attention.
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Post by talent scout on Oct 1, 2005 20:17:45 GMT 10
using your name as a wider band name merely pertains to your compisitions being the source of much of the ensembles repertoire...doesn't it??
same with horn players, bassists, kazoo players...
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Post by talent scout on Oct 1, 2005 20:21:15 GMT 10
i've been hearing some great things about some of these vocalists though...i'm not living in australia at the moment but have been getting regular updates.
I'm going to be melbourne in october so will be at wang, i'm particularly looking forward to hearing gian slater and sophie brous, apparently great singers/composers..would this be correct? who else should i go see at wang?
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) Anyway, often it's because they write a lot of the music, and that's not just singers, many instrumentalists do it too. Andrea Keller, Paul Williamson, Matt Keegan, Jamie Oehlers, all have groups with their name in the title and it works for them. It's just that the lyric does tend to draw the focus from the band when it's a singer at the front. Does that mean singers should stop singing lyrics? Perhaps for certain projects.