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Post by aj on Dec 29, 2005 11:41:28 GMT 10
I think there's a lot in that Vicki................how often do you go to a sunday gig at Bennetts where it's packed for the 1st set, then half the crowd shoots through for the second set ?
It may have something to do with the length of the break, but it's more likely the starting time. I'll mention it to that Co-op guy if I run into him.
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Post by Kenny on Dec 29, 2005 14:50:07 GMT 10
Maybe you can use your influence to get up the cool suggestion of half-time pies for the punters!
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Dec 30, 2005 0:56:38 GMT 10
Vicki: Look, I do sympathise about the late starting times (and I have done co-op gigs where everyone has left at half time and that sucks) but gigs that start before 9:30 (whether that be 8, 8:30, or 4pm) almost always have dismal numbers of punters in the first set. thats a fact.
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Post by shagz not logged in on Dec 30, 2005 9:00:19 GMT 10
Johnny, that's because they are 'one-offs'. Well at least not regular. Many people, I for one, did not realise that Ben Winkelman's CD launch started early or I would have been there at the start. If the starting time for ALL gigs was earlier that might change things. I await your reply munchkin.
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Post by simpo on Dec 30, 2005 11:47:06 GMT 10
8pm start time Sunday to Weds for all gigs at Bennetts PLEASE. If I knew I would get a decent nights sleep I'd go to heaps more gigs. Leaving at thye break makes me feel bad, so I usually don;t bother to go at all!
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Post by isaacs on Dec 30, 2005 12:14:59 GMT 10
I have decided to have my CD launch in the Jazz Lab, in the hope that there will be at least a reasonably big turnout (don't disappoint me Melbourne!). So it makes sense in the interest of audience comfort even if there are incremental issues with room acoustics.
I have raised the issue of an earlier start with the Co-op. It seems it is the venue itself that does not wish to do earlier starts, something to do with staffing. The start time cannot be advertised as being earlier than 9pm and the doors will open at 8:30pm. That is the earliest timeline the venue will go for.
What we will aim to do is start promptly at 9pm and so finish at about 11:15pm. But again, if people are still straggling in by 9pm it would be natural to delay the start.
Given the current restrictions, if there is a desire to change the performance-time culture, the best thing audiences could do is show up as early as possible to send a signal.
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Dec 30, 2005 13:51:48 GMT 10
No way shaggaz!
remember the creeping later starting time at the old cape? thats cos no-one turned up before 9:30.
any pearly shells out there? they just changed their official starting time to 8 (which means reality 8:30 start) because no-one was turning up to the first set.
make it up club starts at 8:30, no punters till 9:30
Paul Williamsons gig is packed from get-go - 9:30 start
Cabrones the same - 10pm start
Bar open the same -10:30 start
And the thing is - Tortoni's not stupid. if he thought he could make more money starting gigs at 8 he would - I'd be willing to bet that "staffing" issues have nothing to do with it. most of the staff I know there would be happy to get home before midnight, they've all got day jobs too y'know.
I've put on early gigs at the planet and at gertrudes - my logic being that because they were during the week, people would prefer an early night. NO WAY! Gig advertiseed for 7:30, first punter turns up at 8:15, reasonable number of punters by 8:40 (at which point we start the gig) room packed by 9:30.
Have I made my case?
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Post by shaggaz on Dec 30, 2005 16:24:13 GMT 10
Nup! Here's my rebuttal.
The old cape: Yes, partially correct but as i seem to remember, the starting time crept back firstly due to the drinking and smoking habits of our fair band, and that the room never really cranked until our third set anyways, no matter what time we started.
I think there is a flaw to your paul williamson/cabrones/bar open argument. You mention they are packed from 'get go'which is kind of my point. People are already there!
Did you advertise your planet/gertrude gigs to start at 7'.30 and expect to play at 7.30? Our gigs are rarely 'concerts', so I think people like to rock up half way through a set...
And Tortoni. A millionaire. I think it is a staffing issue. tried booking a pre-gig rehearsal at bennetts? Not a friendly reception.
My bottom line is that it takes a long time for people to adjust to things like a regular gig time, and if they do, they will still arrive at least 30min after.
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Dec 30, 2005 17:14:41 GMT 10
Nice REbuttal.
well, the drinking and smoking habits of the aforementioned derros was a factor, which sometimes delayed the start of a gig by 15 minutes or so, but considering that we indulged heftily in both poisons onstage throughout the gig, I think our relaxed attitude to starting times was more due to the small number of punters that turned up that early.
and yes: our third set was always fuller, but our second set (10pmish) was always reasonably well attended.
I think that sorta goes to prove my point doesn't it?
and yes the paul willy/cabrones/bar open gigs do have people already there, but generally not enough to play to until the actual start time. and certainly theres no-one there more than half an hour early.
thats my point: you go WITH peoples habits (which I think are related to their daily routine in other parts of their lives, rather than the status quo for gig times - although I have no way to prove this) and choose an apropriate start time and people will turn up, creating a vibe, which in turn means more people turn up.
and you're right in terms of marks starting time and staffing issues in bennetts. I concede defeat there, but only so far as that it's difficult to re-arrange a longstanding system (bar manager turns up at 8pm, staff arrive 8:20 or whatever) for one gig. My point was that if bennetts thought they could get more punters through the door with a regular early starting time, micheal would already have arranged it.
and as much as I hate platonic logic doesn't the fact that people turn up on time at the rainbow/night cat/bar open contradict your argument that punters will "still arrive at least 30 minutes after"
gotta LOVE the cut and thrust of healthy debate.
Yours Sincerly,
Johnny.
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Post by shaggaz on Jan 2, 2006 14:46:23 GMT 10
Ace here we go again my friend. Where you hangin around at the moment anyway? Haven't seen you in yonks. Except yuri's. But that was doomed.
Going with people's daily habits. People's (we're talking about 9 to 5ers here) daily habits ensure that 7.30pm - 9.30pm is 'prime time' on TV right? So assuming that they many of them have dinner before that, isn't it also the prime time for going to see a film, a classical concert, the ballet, opera etc etc?
I would agree with you that people have a CURRENT habit of showing up at certain times to 'jazz' gigs. In Melbourne anyway.
Basically, I think there are many variables involved, most of which we are all crap at analysing, otherwise we'd make a fortune. The sort of music that we play seems to attract a slackness (sorry, relaxed attitude) in both punters and musicians when compared to other genres and art forms. Do you think? I'm still grappling with this in my own head.
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Post by nuts on Jan 2, 2006 19:29:44 GMT 10
If Bennett's ran Sun , Mon and Tues at 8:30pm starts and the rest of the week at 9:30 I believe wholeheartedly that they would pick up many more punters for these nights...and possibly sell a few more
beverages to boot..
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Jan 3, 2006 11:35:45 GMT 10
well personally I'd like to hear from micheal tortoni on this.
jeremy... I know you're reading this. tell him to drop us a line.
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Post by Vicki H B on Jan 4, 2006 12:24:40 GMT 10
Mark said: "The start time cannot be advertised as being earlier than 9pm and the doors will open at 8:30pm. That is the earliest timeline the venue will go for.
What we will aim to do is start promptly at 9pm and so finish at about 11:15pm. "
Hooray. someone who care about we punters. Thank you!
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Post by johnnymastropaulos on Jan 5, 2006 0:13:47 GMT 10
what does the "B" stand for in your initials Vicki?
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Post by tinky on Jan 5, 2006 12:45:50 GMT 10
I really think gigs should be around 3pm. that way I can go out after the gig for a good 6 hrs of party, and be back in bed by midnight. That would make sense.
I also think that punters should pay at least $20 a gig so that musos have a chance in hell to live by playing music, especially when half of it goes to the club, gone are door deal days, now its half-door deal.
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