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Post by johnk on Jan 28, 2006 16:36:17 GMT 10
quote author=jazz police board=general thread=1138391983 post=1138416314]
"Vicki I am so unbelievably sick of your objections to people's choice to remain anonymous. Maybe people choose to post under non-identifiable names because they understand that certainconservatives feel the need to villify those who have a opinion that is not 'the norm.'. I think it is quite immature of you to bring this up whenever the opprtunity arises, even though a whole post was dedicated to it ages ago.
Maybe you would care to air your conerns there, so I may not inadvertantly come across your infuriating remarks[/quote][/color] Jazz Police: Why do u think that anyone has the final say on anon. posts?. Is it the law now coz U think so? Are u trying 2 rile VHB 4 some reason? Ive read a lot of wot U have posted and ur views r often overstated, judgemental, hysterical, & narcissistic. I agree assert my right to brand u & anyone else hiding behind a pseudonym as a total wimp. U r insulting the rest of us by being 2 fucking lazy to register so we could not totally bore the entire forum by having this debate in private 2. Ner ner ner ner ner
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Post by aj on Jan 28, 2006 17:39:39 GMT 10
I'm with Vicki & JohnK (& I'm sure many others) on this : if you want to be anonymous (whether because you're lazy, or cowardly, or for some more valid reason), that's your choice, but don't be surprised (much less 'infuriated') when others take your opinions less seriously because they're posted anonymously.
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Post by tinky on Jan 28, 2006 17:41:32 GMT 10
Is an opinion more valid if we know you has it? Maybe Jazz police is a very good and well educated musician whos ideas should be respected, maybe VHB and John K have no idea at all, I dont know but the name means a lot less than the idea.
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Post by aj on Jan 28, 2006 19:00:57 GMT 10
Hmmm....I'd just say that in this case, Jazz Police's idea (that he sees nothing wrong with staying anonymous, and that Vicki has no right to disagree because he/she finds it infuriating and is unbelievably sick of it) isn't a good one.
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Post by JC on Jan 28, 2006 19:42:18 GMT 10
I don't agree with the way Palestinians have been treated either, but why the fuck can't Israeli's go out and hear someone play the piano?....grow up. But they can, nuts, they can. And indeed routinely do. And in the case of Joe Chindamo, they could hear him at 8pm in a museum, which would be positively idyllic for the vociferous starting-time lobby around these parts. That's no part of the point. If the hundreds of immigrants from Russia and the United States who arrive in Israel every week to help populate its illegal settlements were just jazz fans who had to get up early in the morning then maybe it might be. |
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Post by jazz police on Jan 28, 2006 20:10:10 GMT 10
okay okay. i am much happier if you disagree with my IDEA.
Just so you know, i am a musician who most of you probably know, and I have probably had a decent conversation with all (if not most) of you in 'real life'. I AM ALSO A REGISTERED MEMBER OF THIS FORUM!
Like I've said previously (i hate to bring this up again) I choose to remain anon with this stuff because I know it offends, I make no apologies for it.
AJ: I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but thankyou for disagreeing with my idea, not the fact that my name appears in white rather than yellow
JOHN: I'm sick of your shallow minded insults as well. Your comments on the character of my posts are most welcome however.....
Hasn't it ever occured to you people that the reason that I don't register this name is because I know that it would make no difference, people just prefer to slag off someone they can put a face (even if it is imaginary) to?
Treat me as an idea, not a person.
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Post by march on Jan 28, 2006 20:35:57 GMT 10
I think I have to sit somewhere in the middle on this one........
I agree with John in that you do put things pretty strongly (sometimes even to the point of hysteria) and that I think that this can often muddle the point you are trying to make. Thus when you set out to make a point so strongly, you can end up having less of an impact than hoped for.
I don't have any problem with you being anon, though.
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Post by nuts on Jan 28, 2006 22:05:06 GMT 10
I don't agree with the way Palestinians have been treated either, but why the fuck can't Israeli's go out and hear someone play the piano?....grow up. But they can, nuts, they can. And indeed routinely do. And in the case of Joe Chindamo, they could hear him at 8pm in a museum, which would be positively idyllic for the vociferous starting-time lobby around these parts. That's no part of the point. If the hundreds of immigrants from Russia and the United States who arrive in Israel every week to help populate its illegal settlements were just jazz fans who had to get up early in the morning then maybe it might be. So are you going to draw up a set of rules then?... Countries that can and can't be visited by jazz musicians?..Is the Hamas office party OK?.. I'm no apologist for Israel..I think Sharon was two faced, self serving and helped to set off the last round of violence by his provocative actions....but you sound naive and simplistic ...Israelis suffer in this hideous intracticable conflict also..as do all in violent conflicts...denying the enjoyment of music is such a childish and banner waving response... |
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Post by JC on Jan 29, 2006 0:12:47 GMT 10
So are you going to draw up a set of rules then?... Countries that can and can't be visited by jazz musicians?..Is the Hamas office party OK?.. I'm no apologist for Israel..I think Sharon was two faced, self serving and helped to set off the last round of violence by his provocative actions....but you sound naive and simplistic ...Israelis suffer in this hideous intracticable conflict also..as do all in violent conflicts...denying the enjoyment of music is such a childish and banner waving response... I don't think I'm advocating denying anyone the enjoyment of music. Yes, there are those - including several high-profile Israeli academics - who call for a complete cultural boycott of Israel (an eloquent example is Omar Barghouti, at www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-debate_97/morality_2853.jsp) but I'm not entirely convinced that that is an entirely useful position, despite the fairly obvious comparison with South Africa that I have already obliquely made. Music cannot itself bring about peace, but it can provide a powerful example for peaceful living; even though music itself cannot build bridges between different cultures and political systems, individual musicians can - through their personalities and their music - build bridges between themselves and others, and between other individuals. This, I think, is too powerful a force to be removed from the equation, and that is why I am suspect of the worth of a wholesale cultural boycott of anyone, anywhere. But, in this instance, Mr Chindamo undertook a musical tour of Israel and has reported it as a factfinding mission. It goes without saying that his personal response to what must have been an incredible experience will by its very nature be subjective, but his wholesale parroting of what one could easily term the textbook diatribe against the Palestinians does not do him, or the situation, any justice. It is, indeed, naive and simplistic. What I would love to see, as I have already said, is for him to match this experience with a similar trip the other side of the apartheid fence, and to read what he has to say about that. He could play an equally good piano (Daniel Barenboim recently donated a spectacular Steinway to the Palestinian National Conservatory of Music), he would find a people who, as much as the Italians and the Israelis, share his "love of life, the love of culture, the love of food, the love of love and most of all, the love of people and respect for humanity", and, indeed, see that it is not only Israel that suffers from not being portrayed in the most favourable light by our mainstream media: indeed if he had suspicions before that "the nightly news, through omission, doesn’t tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth," the mill of his social awareness will be overloaded with fresh grist. Michael Stevens |
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Post by not jazz police on Jan 29, 2006 8:06:15 GMT 10
The medicos at Albert Street Clinic agree on thie diagnosis of the patient known as 'jazz police'. He has NPD.
100 gm Zoloft and a mood stabiliser such as Lithiium are prescribed.
He will need regular weekly sessions with Dr Orchard and daily group therapy as well as regular blood tests to monitor his lithium levels.
So the rest of you undertsand what we are dealing with here are some notes that will help you.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a disorder in which a person has a grandiose self-importance, preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, a driven desire for attention and admiration, an intolerance of criticism, and disturbed self-centered interpersonal relations. They are often referred to as being conceited. They generally have a low self-esteem, as well. They act selfish interpersonally, with a sense of entitlement.
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Post by ironguts on Jan 29, 2006 8:08:39 GMT 10
Fuck, that sounds like me.
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Post by Joe Chindamo on Jan 29, 2006 10:30:03 GMT 10
Dear JC, thank you for finally revealing your identity. Not only have you initiated an attack on me (which I'm fine with, probably expected and was actually rather surprised that it took this long), but am curious as to why you needed invent a pseudonym comprising of my initials to do so. I could be off the mark here, of course- you could be taking on the role of Jesus Christ (which brings to mind kinky Friedman's comment "that they don't make Jews like Jesus anymore." ) How did you get from Michael Stevens to JC?
One more thing. If you bother the read the article again, you may notice that I did state that my opinion of Israel was undoubtedly coloured by my 5 star point of view. I added that my euphoria was also likely (in part) based on the fact that I'd never been there and had a fucking great time. They treated me exceptionally well, and I had a beautiful experience. There were no lobby groups at my gigs, just people - music lovers who turned up expecting to hear good music, and who responded enthusistically. I don't know whether you're a musician, or have ever been on stage and felt that energy. What do you want me to say? I had a positive experience and reported it as such. Maybe next time, I won't, and my comments will reflect that. When I play in Iran I'll report on my experiences there. ( Iran, by the way, has a leader who has stated that he wants to blow Israel off the face of the earth: something you've failed to address in your comments, which consequently make your side of the argument as one sided ( through omission) as you accuse mine of being. You wrote about what you saw in my article. I wrote about what I saw in Israel.
My article was edited and if you feel the need to read the original, which is more comprehensive ( and much longer )I'm more than happy to send it to you via email I'm at joe@joechindamo.com I think it would be going overboard to print it here.
In September, I'm playing a solo concert in Tokyo, which will be filmed and made into a DVD.
Maybe you could find some way of blaming me for Hiroshima. Ha.
Joe Chindamo
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Post by Milk chocolate hobnobs on Jan 29, 2006 10:49:15 GMT 10
In September, I'm playing a solo concert in Tokyo, which will be filmed and made into a DVD. jazz police: pre-order now! |
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Post by Albert Dadon on Jan 29, 2006 21:43:08 GMT 10
Poor Joe, exciting large numbers of Israelis about his passion for high quality jazz has drawn out those who obsess about Israel imperfections while ignoring Dafur, Tibet, the woman and gays in Taliban / Afganistan etc. etc... You see Joe, these covert fanatics are not really interested in coherent dispute resolution i.e. whether the Israelis pulled out of Gaza, whether former Israeli leader Barak offered 97% of the disputed territories to Arafat in the presence of Clinton in 2000. It has always been the policy of rational people in Israel and Australia to support an Israeli State and a Palestinian State along side it. But you have to understand Joe you have stuck something deeply irrational in playing jazz in the Jewish State. Because anonymous crazies all over the world cannot think about the Israel Palestinian question in context ( for instance, what does the most humanitarian lefty Israeli do when confronted with an organization like Hamas committed to destroying the very existence of a vibrant dynamic Hebrew society of some 6,000,000 Jews? How does any rational person respond to Iran’s Ahmadinejad who says Israel should be wiped from the map? Tony Blair representing rational, civilized opinion says such exhortations are utterly unacceptable, while arguing calmly and rationally for Israeli / Palestinian accommodation in 2 states along side each other, where both people can express their self determination in their own state. Don’t worry Joe, 90% of Australians believe in engaging with Israel musically, scientifically, medically, culturally, in a thousand different ways, just as with other nations. Israel, Australia, indeed the world will engage similarly with the Palestinians when they agree that they should have an equal share of the cake and don’t send gormless young people to blow up civilians in cafes, commuter buses and discotheques. |
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Post by Good Queen Bess on Jan 30, 2006 8:42:15 GMT 10
i did not know i was boring TPG! Surely boring posts don't deserve your attention! You are defineltly the most hipocritical person I could ever imagine. Don't worry, I've done my 10hrs of practice today. Have you? I reckon 'jazz police' is a someone trying to do an Iron Guts or Cartman either that or the theory about Narcissism is spot on. Or... could be that the guy is passive agressive and disinhibited by the secrecy of a fake name and some form of intoxicatng substance. Ya think? |
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