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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2006 9:53:24 GMT 10
Hey Mark! Well now you've let the cool cat outta the bag: You're response to such odious provocation is simply SOOOOOO Melbourne. Makes me feel all warm and gooie that you're really truly one of us, even if your postcode isn't. LOL!
Paul's right - it's a big ol' jam session, and like Tinky I wouldn't want it to be without its dark side.
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Post by isaacs on Mar 10, 2006 10:31:26 GMT 10
thought it was worth suggesting that since you have seen fit to censor the antics of some of your recent junior members, you might have been displaying a bit of a double standard by not also removing your own erroneous behaviour and leaving your famous "outings"up for all Fair point, I was wondering about that but it gets complicated because then it puts the responses to my outing out of context. If I need to cover my tracks on the outing don't I have to then take out Tinky's responses to being outed? It wasn't an intentional double standard, just confusion about how to go about it. If we want to put the outing down the memory hole too then we probably need to delete the whole thread which would be shame as there are some great things there. Advice? |
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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2006 10:58:33 GMT 10
1. Let it be. 2. Move to Melbourne. 3. Which pho joint? Near the corner of Russell and Lonsdale? Ace. Good chicken and rice, too, with lovely pickled turnip and carrot. |
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Post by vickijane on Mar 10, 2006 11:21:13 GMT 10
Mark for goodnes sake forget about it, its in the past. Does anyone care now? I don't think so. You have better things to think about. What was your mistake? Being human like all of us.  Kenny Weir: the best cheap pho joint in Melbourne is tucked away in a hideous food court. Their stock is excellent, made with real food, not nasty little blocks of salty chemicals. It is in the food hall on the corner of Bourke and Swanston next to Target and the stall in question is tiny but always busy with mainly Asian Australians. If you can get a table there, good luck! Mainly a lunch venue but they are open late enough for an early evening meal, the tea is good too. Ask for soup with rice or egg noodles then point at the other things displayed that you want in it. You may also select from the pictures! All their food is good, but they could be more generous with the bok choy. Inexpensive and very good. Don't tell your friends please. |
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Post by isaacs on Mar 10, 2006 11:32:49 GMT 10
3. Which pho joint? Near the corner of Russell and Lonsdale? Ace. Good chicken and rice, too, with lovely pickled turnip and carrot. Yep that's the one. Love that whole Lonsdale strip, the Greek cake place we hung out in was always a favourite. |
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Post by kimba on Mar 10, 2006 12:43:25 GMT 10
I think this is a really good discussion, for me it's not about how we relate as musicians in a live community, but the way in which people envisage identity and communication in virtual spaces...
The other forum I belong to (a stoopid, hetero girlie marriage and babies forum *blush*) is having similiar issues to what happened here - regular users logging on as 'anon' or fake users and stirring the pot, lots of in-fighting and harsh words said in some sort of shaky jest, and the odd flamer who joins just to cause a lot of hot air and ill-feeling.
I think many people see the virtual space as something seperate to, or removed from reality. Personalities morph, or alter egos are created and dismissed, as if this space were disposable. I think we are still catching up with the realities of just how much the 'real' and 'virtual' worlds are intertwined.
I personally think 'outing' users who are being abusive or whatever is a fast solution. On the other forum the moderator won't do this, and therefore this endless crazy cycle of humor/ill-feeling and back-stabbing has been in motion...I guess Mark finished it quickly by outing people, even if it meant some people got a bit miffed.
One other thing I wanted to say is that all those shockingly eloquent attacks really made me feel homesick - the melbourne jazz scene has always been like that - people giving each other a lot of shit (usually on the microphone...if you haven't experienced it, just ask Dick Burns to do a gig with you) and even if it sounds abusive, it's generally meant in total jest..
I miss that about Melbs!
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Post by kimba on Mar 10, 2006 12:44:22 GMT 10
By the way, the Pho place you are talking about on Lonsdale and Russell is Pho Dzung and they have a lot of different branches - my fav is on High St Preston...very very good!
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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2006 12:45:46 GMT 10
Mark: Yeah, the coffe was good there - better than I remember - so I may head there tomorrow for one of those bogutsa(?) thingies. Vicki: I know that joint, and have eaten there. It's NOT Vietnamese pho they serve, though - just very good Chinese-style noodle soup. Get it right! |
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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2006 12:51:29 GMT 10
I think this is a really good discussion, for me it's not about how we relate as musicians in a live community, but the way in which people envisage identity and communication in virtual spaces...! Kimba, I'm with you. No matter how tacky some of the things have gone down on this forum have been, I've always found it pretty amusing and nothing to get too uptight about on account of some really crazy shit I've seen happen elsewhere. What's the name of your other hang? I feel like doing me some trolling! ;D |
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 10, 2006 14:34:19 GMT 10
I personally think 'outing' users who are being abusive or whatever is a fast solution. On the other forum the moderator won't do this, and therefore this endless crazy cycle of humor/ill-feeling and back-stabbing has been in motion...I guess Mark finished it quickly by outing people, even if it meant some people got a bit miffed.
I think the new sedition laws are a quick way of enforcing counter - terrorism too Kimba.Whatya think?
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 10, 2006 14:53:38 GMT 10
Not digging anymore M.I. -- just taking up a point...
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Post by kimba on Mar 10, 2006 15:32:40 GMT 10
Ohhh Geoffo...
He's got a point there!
You do actually...
By the way, my hubby, Ryan Griffith, says hello from Japan..
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 10, 2006 15:39:00 GMT 10
Hi you two...Tell him to stop shredding and do the dishes....
lv G.
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Post by isaacs on Mar 10, 2006 15:40:09 GMT 10
I realise that you're not digging Tuggsey. I think it's a very interesting point. liberal-minded people err heavily on the side of putting personal liberty first in all cases but there are countervailing notions of protecting others, in some case their own life and liberty if not their sensibilities. You know - the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre and all that. This is almost the question of our time - we're seeing it in the debates around the Danish anti-Muslim cartoons as well as hate speech legislation etc. And the sedition laws. You seem to take it as a given that the latter are to be opposed. I wish I was so sure. I'm not convinced that reflexive libertarianism, reflexive anti-Howardism and an exaggeration of the power and scope of these laws are not driving those opposing them. I'd tend to oppose them myself except that I'm not convinced I know enough to know that these laws may not one day save the life of my daughter or somebody else's daughter. This is why I have now generally tired of the Left after supporting the program for many years. I am not convinced that the idea that everything a conservative government does is wrong and sinister is necessarily helpful in the current climate. It doesn't mean I necessarily support Howard. I guarantee Labor won't overturn the anti-terrorism legislation so they may well have my vote. I'm not convinced however that those to the left of Labor aren't so driven by received ideology as to be their own next-to-worst enemies, not to mention everybody else's.
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Post by Kenny on Mar 10, 2006 15:54:55 GMT 10
I am not convinced that the idea that everything a conservative government does is wrong and sinister is necessarily helpful in the current climate. Mark, I share your ambivalence about these sorts of issues. But in the case of your argument, a lot depends on terminology and definitions. With Howard and his lying crew, and the even more odious Bush Forces, a crucial issue is that they are NOT conservative. In fact, they're all bloody rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth radicals. As has been well documented, true conservatives are just as alarmed by all this crazy shit as the rest of us. BTW, most unpleasant episodes I have endured on other forums have been in political threads. Politics has rarely bobbed up here at OJF, which has always seemed to exist in it's own sort of time warp surreal world. So I hope the new tangent on this thread isn't the start of a long and slimy slide into political degradation! ;D |
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