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Post by cartman on Dec 27, 2006 12:43:17 GMT 10
Nah I just download your shit for free fatarse! screw u, dumbarse! i'm outta here |
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Post by alimcg on Dec 27, 2006 17:40:50 GMT 10
oh no!
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Post by captain on Dec 27, 2006 22:26:24 GMT 10
Don't you mean, 'Screw you, I'm going home'?....
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Post by cartman on Dec 28, 2006 5:49:34 GMT 10
Captain dude i'm a cartoon goddammit!!!! dont underminen mah authoritah asking questions i cant answer dumbarse
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Post by captain on Dec 28, 2006 10:57:39 GMT 10
sweet. You're not fat, just festively plump.
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Post by pettman on Dec 28, 2006 17:37:57 GMT 10
I'm not sure why everyone is ganging up on me just for prefering American Jazz to Australian Jazz. I don't line the two up side by side with a criteria. I am a listener, that is all. I try not to analyse music and break it down into techniques and philosophies. All I am saying is that I like American Jazz more than Australian Jazz.
This forum seems much less tolerant of other peoples opinions than others I've been on. I must say it doesn't make me feel good about the Australian jazz community (I'm assuming that most people on this forum are musicians or others closely linked with the 'scene').
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Post by captain on Dec 28, 2006 18:47:54 GMT 10
You're right Pettman, some forms of pluralism swing full circle to more prejudice. I experienced a very simliar thing at the VCA. "You can be into anything you want, unless we don't approve."
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Post by oj on Dec 28, 2006 19:33:05 GMT 10
Pettman,
There isn't much tolerance on this forum.
Ironic really, given the basic essence of jazz is freedom of expression, and speech.
Your assumption 'that most people on this forum are musicians or others closely linked with the 'scene'' is, unfortunately, correct. However, there are still some talented muso's, who either don't or no longer, contribute to the forum. They would prefer to chat about music and go elsewhere.
The intolerant, small minded musicians who still contribute here, once showed some talent. Some have toured the U.S. and/or Europe (often funded by arts grants, rather than by ticket or record sales) and have been remarkably unsuccessful. Why would a jazz musician tour overseas and decide to settle back in Melbourne or Sydney? Because they failed musically.
These intolerant individuals, and their supporters, are the ones who tell us that the Melbourne and Sydney scene's are brilliant and there have been several brilliant gigs and outstanding recordings released this year.
Well, it's all crap. It's only a few unsuccessful muso's who rave on about the local scene on this forum. And if it's not a muso raving on, it'll be one of their close friends or a hanger on who attempts to derive a profit from the scene.
Pettman, if you want some discussion about jazz don't look at this forum. As a vehicle to discuss jazz it's effectively dead.
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Post by bodgey on Dec 28, 2006 19:39:23 GMT 10
Nationalism in Jazz??
Mein Gott.
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Post by aj on Dec 28, 2006 19:42:37 GMT 10
Nice troll oj...............I guess people might take your views more seriously if you identified yourself, or if you named names. So EVERY Australian musician who has toured overseas, or lived there briefly, is a failure ?
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Post by vickibonet on Dec 28, 2006 20:17:30 GMT 10
oj & pettman you are totally correct! there isn't much tolerance here, just like the rest of the planet. I have a question for you, why do you keep coming back, reading all this 'crap' and posting responses?
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Post by bodgey on Dec 28, 2006 20:36:38 GMT 10
Pettman - I'm glad you're expressing your preferences. What I'm interested in is why you prefer American Jazz to Australian Jazz.
Of course, the 'roots' of this music are in America (I'm being general here folks - don't jump down my throat).
We can argue about authenticity etc till the cows come home - for me, there's a lot of jazz from both countries that I like, and and a lot that I don't. There's (subjectively speaking - there's no other way) good music and bad music everywhere. There are good musicians and bad musicians everywhere.
I would like to think that jazz can transcend it's country of origin.
I'm not sure I would want to be labelled 'Australian' or 'American' or 'European' for the way I play music - but unfortunately this is the way of the world and these categories exist. They all have their pros, cons and baggage.
All the time you hear generalisations from all corners - shit like 'Australian Jazz is more creative'...'Americans can swing harder'...'Euro jazz is shit - no one in Europe can swing'...etc etc etc - these generalisations can only limit us in how we listen and relate to music. I've heard some of the hardest swinging shit in Europe, some of the Americans I've heard swing like rusty gates, and I've heard some fucking atrocious Australian jazz that is neither creative or swinging...and of course, all the reverse is true. What I'm trying to say is that although you may have a preference, don't let it limit you.
OJ - troll troll troll. Yawn. At the risk of taking the bait - why not settle back in Melbs or Syd? As (I hope) I have made clear above, I think that Australian musicians are worthy of being included on the 'world stage'. I reiterate - if you don't like it here, please please please just go away.
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Post by captain on Dec 28, 2006 21:39:09 GMT 10
I think we all know the only good Jazz is in Perth. Jamie Oehlers, Graeme Lyall, Jordan Murray, Sam Anning, Ben VanderWal, Darryn Farrugia, Des White, Graeme Wood, Matt Jodrell, Danny Susnjer, that composer who wins all the grants - everybody else sucks!
Perhaps OJ would like to post his/her music and show us what good Jazz sounds like, but I think They're a cowardly bitch....
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Post by alimcg on Dec 28, 2006 22:35:14 GMT 10
Yeah Cap, WA jazz shits all over Victorian jazz. NSW jazz is ok, but it doesn't swing as hard as ACT jazz. Queensland jazz is very rootsy, and SA jazz is too over-intellectualized. Everyone knows Tassie jazz is the best.
Who gives a fuck?
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Post by bobbob on Dec 28, 2006 22:42:33 GMT 10
"Why would a jazz musician tour overseas and decide to settle back in Melbourne or Sydney? "....WTF!! Why should every musician automatically assume that you have to live in Europe or the US to be making meaningful music and developing as an artist. Besides oj, ever thought that some people might actually like living in Australia for reasons other than their 'career' and don't want to live Europe cause the food sucks and it rains all the time or in the States because...well..it's the States.. Ever thought people might miss Australia after a while.. have partners who have to be in Australia..maybe they feel it is a better place to bring up a family.. maybe some people might want to contribute to their communities and make shit happen at home.. there are so many reason.. talk about small minded!!
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