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Post by alimcg on Oct 20, 2006 15:29:51 GMT 10
I will stick mine out and admit to owning no Necks. I'd rather see them live than listen to an album. I just don't feel that their work has anywhere near as much impact on disc as in their live shows.
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Post by aj on Oct 20, 2006 16:25:55 GMT 10
Fair call ; but some of their albums (Next, Chemist, Aether, etc) are rather different to what they do live. And some of their live albums (piano bass drums ; or Homebush etc) are well worth hearing again. I wish they'd recorded their Melb Town Hall gig last year, where Chris played the pipe organ !
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Post by alimcg on Oct 20, 2006 17:02:23 GMT 10
I find there's a similarity between the Necks and Wayne Shorter's current band (stay with me here...). I'd spent a fair bit of time listening to the Shorter bands albums, and had seen concert footage of them, but I never really got into their sound, but when I saw them live I was mesmerized, and I couldn't reconcile the live experience with the recorded one. I find the Necks much like that in their own way. When you're actually there things are always different.
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Post by aj on Oct 20, 2006 19:36:31 GMT 10
Yes, I think I know what you mean ; the live experience is always a different experience to the recorded performance, and off the top of my head, I can't think of an example where you'd choose the former ahead of the latter ; but the difference is even more pronounced with some types of groups.
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Post by alimcg on Oct 20, 2006 20:05:33 GMT 10
Anything with such high levels of improvisation and group interaction is best experienced live, but I can think of quite a few latin and pop/rock groups that I've seen live and been very disappointed. James Brown's band is an obvious exception - one of the few "popular" groups that have lived up to my expectations.
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Post by aj on Oct 20, 2006 20:47:27 GMT 10
well that's a different issue, more likely to arise with pop performers, when they aren't able to re-produce on stage what took 10 months and countless overdubs to produce in the studio (and often re-production IS the aim). With jazz (as a general rule) it's a given that they can play onstage (more or less) what was on the record, and then becomes a question of how that comes across to the listener.
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Post by alimcg on Oct 21, 2006 10:41:44 GMT 10
Exactly. The other thing that tends to ruin live jazz shows for me is inappropriate venues and poor sound. Maybe Mr Howard should address the skills shortage amongst sound technicians.
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Post by aj on Oct 21, 2006 15:38:05 GMT 10
I'd rather he address the skills (& personality/morality) problems in his own cabinet.
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Post by alimcg on Oct 21, 2006 23:22:29 GMT 10
Now, now aj, you don't believe in miracles do you?
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Post by alimcg on Oct 22, 2006 0:36:13 GMT 10
Today we heard some Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition. Firstly the original piano score, sounding like it was recorded on a cheap keyboard, secondly Ravel's orchestration - LA Phil conducted by Zubin Mehta.
Followed this with James Muller's Thrum. Gee he writes some great tunes.
Tonight Lee Morgan - The Gigolo. Ahhh, Billy Higgins.
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Post by glean on Oct 22, 2006 11:16:08 GMT 10
Anything with such high levels of improvisation and group interaction is best experienced live, but I can think of quite a few latin and pop/rock groups that I've seen live and been very disappointed. James Brown's band is an obvious exception - one of the few "popular" groups that have lived up to my expectations. My experience of that band is total opposite I thought they were awesome. I wouldn't JB's band put in the ten=months--in the-studio bracket either, they are all good musicians. |
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Post by alimcg on Oct 22, 2006 16:48:45 GMT 10
I don't quite follow glen... your experience of which band was the total opposite?
I was saying James Brown was amazing. One of the best gigs I've ever been too.
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Post by alimcg on Oct 22, 2006 17:27:29 GMT 10
Getting well through "M" now. Monk this morning, including the 2nd "real" jazz CD I ever owned (a Monk compilation). Monk was the first jazz pianist I really listened too.
This arvo has seen a couple of less stellar albums - the Bob Mintzer Big Band. Nothing against those guys in particular, but the couple of albums I have just don't cut it. The light at the end of the tunnel is Mingus.
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Post by glean on Oct 23, 2006 1:14:53 GMT 10
I don't quite follow glen... your experience of which band was the total opposite? I was saying James Brown was amazing. One of the best gigs I've ever been too. sorry alimcG I misread your post! derr.. cant blam it on anything cept slack reading! please accept my apolgies and thanks for pointing it out. I was wondering how they could have had such a bad 'off night'! I've been checking out music on youtube.com there is so much jaz archival all for free. Set your bigpond account to "download as much as you want" and you will never need to buy another music DVD again, some great stuff there AND no commercials! |
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Post by alimcg on Oct 24, 2006 18:38:13 GMT 10
Que Viva Mingus!
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