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Post by vickihb2 on Jan 11, 2006 8:33:19 GMT 10
Hey Buster, are you saying you were never young and so very sure of your every opinion once? You meanie! Grrr!.  But I agree with you about Jazz and African music. All music is "world" music and to assume that it is only recently that western musicians have been influenced by new styles of music from different parts just shows that the person claiming that hasn't been on the planet long enough to know more about it. The only new thing about "World" music and its influence on jazz or any other style of music is that it is a fairly new Marketing buzz word. (And yes I was young and sure of my every opinion once. Now I am old and only sure of most of my opinions.) |
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Post by Geek on Jan 11, 2006 16:15:09 GMT 10
Heard Joe Chindamo has a gig on ABC Classic FM now too, with Ben Martin talking and playing all things piano.
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Post by jazz police on Jan 11, 2006 16:26:52 GMT 10
Spew spew spew spew spew spew.
Sounds like something I would like to slit my wrists to.
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Post by Vicki HB on Jan 12, 2006 15:00:17 GMT 10
That jealous, huh? Maybe you should get some help.
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Post by jazz police on Jan 12, 2006 15:30:48 GMT 10
Jealous!!??
How you misunderatand me!
What I meant was: Joe Chindamo hosting a jazz show sounds like something I would like to slit my wrists to. Due to his unbelievable and total unfounded arrogance and complete lack of taste.
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Post by soul seeker on Jan 12, 2006 22:38:20 GMT 10
Joe is alright
he just doesnt live Inside himself and thus does'nt form a connection with the Listeners
Hes a bit confused as to why they dont GET him.A phrase he uses alot in Interviews is "how could you not"
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Post by Vicki h b on Jan 13, 2006 11:45:18 GMT 10
QUOTE: How you misunderatand me!
What I meant was: Joe Chindamo hosting a jazz show sounds like something I would like to slit my wrists to. Due to his unbelievable and total unfounded arrogance and complete lack of taste. "
It is not a jazz show, I understand it is an informal conversation programme with Ben Martin (an oustanding classical pianist who regularly works with the ACO). He and Joe are talking about classical pianists and playing some rare recordings.
You should tune in. You might learn something new.
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Post by Vicki HB on Jan 13, 2006 11:58:59 GMT 10
Since Joe Chindamo has been attacked by someone on this forum for having "unfounded arrogance" etc. I thought it only fair to respond with the help of Adrian Jackson's comments on Joe's latest recording lifted from the Bulletin website.
JAZZ
Joe Chindamo
Live At Umbria Jazz ’05 Italy
(Newmarket)
Review by Adrian Jackson
As an Australian of Italian descent, it must have been a thrill for Joe Chindamo to play a series of solo piano concerts in Perugia last July, at Italy’s premier jazz festival. It gave him the chance to hear and meet his long-time hero, Oscar Peterson, an encounter which clearly inspired him when it was his turn to play. A virtuoso in the tradition of Peterson (and his idol, Art Tatum), Chindamo demonstrates here that technique isn’t only about speed and accuracy, it’s also to do with touch and expression. He employs his prodigious technique to craft quite superb renditions of standards like "It Ain’t Necessarily So", "Smile", "Satin Doll" and "Misty". It’s a triumphant display that should appeal to any fan of classic piano jazz.
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Post by jazz police on Jan 13, 2006 12:32:46 GMT 10
Look, whether it is a jazz show or not is beside the point. I find Joe's manner of speaking unbearable. If I want to learn something new,(which i do on a very regular basis) I have plenty of other sources that I can to that I find much less unpleasant.
If you love Joe's playing and manner good for you, if others do good for them too.
In no way am I suggesting that his playing is terrible AND that everybody should agree with me. II am merely saying that I absolutely detest his playing etc. and that I would rather slit my wrists than listen to this program.
Awards and tributes and rave reviews mean absolutely nothing: they are one persons view on the matter.
It seems that you (Vicki) have taken upon yourself to try and convince me otherwise. Do you really expect me to change my tastes just because somebody else says he "should appeal to any fan of classic piano jazz".
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Post by vickihb2 on Jan 13, 2006 22:09:26 GMT 10
Dear Jazz Police
How interesting that you believe I was trying to influence you! I am quite certain I wouldn't be able to change your opinion on Joe Chindamo, or much else, if I lobbied for a month of Sundays. :-)
That you feel you would rather slit your wrists than listen to ANY radio programme is a major concern. I urge you to get some psychiatric help soon before we are reading about your funeral. Many a true word spoken in jest JP, and you have mentioned suicide twice now.
Perhaps you might ponder what it is that you are REALLY mad about before your fist appointment?
May I wish you a speedy recovery and the chutzpah to put your real name to your vitriol in future.
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Post by isaacs on Jan 14, 2006 12:34:21 GMT 10
"Jazz Police" I disagree vehemently with your opinions about Joe.
He's a marvellous player and musician and has covered certain bases in the music that others here haven't come to grips with anywhere near so thoroughly. No-one in Australia can touch him for bringing off virtuosic mainstream solo piano coming out of the Tatum/Peterson school (I have heard the Italian solo recording and it's great playing indeed) but he has many other strings to his bow (in complete contrast he is a great fusion player too). He is also highly intelligent, articulate and well-read, I would describe his presentation as simply urbane which shouldn't be a problem unless you are into reverse snobbery. He doesn't have to be your favourite player by any means, different strokes and all that, but anything less than deep respect would seem to be the province of curmudgeons.
A national treasure.
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Post by Kenny on Jan 14, 2006 12:42:15 GMT 10
"Jazz Police" I disagree vehemently with your opinions about Joe. He's a marvellous player and musician and has covered certain bases in the music that others here haven't come to grips with anywhere near so thoroughly. No-one in Australia can touch him for bringing off virtuosic mainstream solo piano coming out of the Tatum/Peterson school (I have heard the Italian solo recording and it's great playing indeed) but he has many other strings to his bow (in complete contrast he is a great fusion player too). He is also highly intelligent, articulate and well-read, I would describe his presentation as simply urbane which shouldn't be a problem unless you are into reverse snobbery. He doesn't have to be your favourite player by any means, different strokes and all that, but anything less than deep respect would seem to be the province of curmudgeons. A national treasure. Mark, I agree. But ... Aren't you and Vicki both letting your respect for Joe and love of his playing cloud your comments? From my reading the guys is simply saying he hates Joe's playing; not that he can't play good. |
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Post by isaacs on Jan 14, 2006 13:05:01 GMT 10
Not really Kenny. I'm simply expressing a counter-opinion, his/her vehement dislike of Joe's playing prompts me to celebrate vehemently what I like about it. People who don't like Joe's playing (or mine) are entitled to their opinion, and others who like the same music are entitled to theirs.
But there is one more thing that I did touch on, which is my only beef with "jazz police".
Even if you don't like Joe's playing, some respect is warranted. So I do think the extremely disrespectful tone of the comments is not to be commended. Anyone's playing can be (even very firmly) critiqued but always respectfully, particularly when they have the track record of someone like Joe. There is no call for the harsh hyperbole of describing work as emetic or suicide-inspiring. Otherwise what language is left for the purveyors in our culture of what is truly vomitous?
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Post by jazz police on Jan 14, 2006 13:22:50 GMT 10
Look Vicki, the whole 'real name' thing has already been covered in another thread, so don't bring that bullshit back up just to try to add some sting to your argument. I find that disgusting and somewhat insulting.
The only thing that I have written that could be interperated as a all-encompassing comment is: ".....unbelievable and total unfounded arrogance......" but surely any reader such as Vicki or Mark would realise, just as I have expressed in my argument many times, that this is my opinion of the matter. What else is it possible to give? IMHO no one has the right to make a subjective comment and feel like it should be taken as law, or in the very least cmpletely agreed to.
If I had said that "....That sounds like something we should ALL slit our wrists to..." ie. nobody should listen to this program (I say it again, whether it is jazz or not is beside the point) because it is inconcievable that it could contain any information that would be useful to ANYBODY, then I would understand your arguments, and in fact I would agree with you.
I say it again: If you like Joe's playing, good for you. If others like it good for them. Whatever gets you off.
I hate it. Why don't you just let me have my opinion as I have let you have yours!?
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Post by vickihb2 on Jan 14, 2006 13:54:50 GMT 10
JP, get real, how can anyone INSULT someone else when they don't even know who they are? E.G. "Hey Mr/Ms Invisible - you really suck big time!" I don't think so.
You feel I have disgusted and insulted you? I hereby apologise for being so emotionally unintelligent as to try to fight fire with fire.
And by the way, this is a FORUM, i.e. designed for debate.
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