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[isaacs]

You ARE entitled to your opinion "jazz police". I already said that. Although you haven't really backed it up with any kind of deeper analysis. A five-year-old is capable of "I hate it" as well.

I expressed regret that your critique couldn't be respectful as well. I think in the case of an artist like Joe respect is warranted even if the work is not to one's taste or even intensely disliked. You obviously don't agree.

Anyhow, one thing is you make "crude parallelism" look light the height of praise!

[Kenny]

I'm sick of jazz police. It's not bloody fair! Why can't we have jazz school teachers? Or jazz dentists? Or jazz mayors? Or jazz mechanics? Or jazz bag ladies?

[jazz police]

Do I need to justify why I feel something? I don't like Joe's playing because it doesn't touch me. I don't feel anything while I listen to it. That's all I need to say, because I feel that that is the most important thing.
In fact, that I actually have a strong opinion about his music shows some sort of respect surely!

I'm not exactly sure what kind of 'deeper analysis' is needed to justify my opinion. You say I am entitled to my opinion, but I somehow feel that my opinion is not valid for you unless I present some sort of tangible list of reasons why I don't enjoy Joe's playing.
I am a touch disapointed that you need to compare my comments with that of a (I'm assuming un-educated) 5 year old. A five year old is capable of that comment, but I would like to think (and I would like to think that you respect ME enough to think that) my veiws have been thought out a bit more thoroughly.

My tone is my personality. All I can say is that I am very passionate about what I feel. I think a bit of extremism (in small doses, nothing to do with terrorism or anything like that) is needed to bash through the veil of mediocrity and relative conservatism that pervades our world.

Now Vicki:

You think I'm not a person!? Of course I can be insulted! Your reply seems filled with personal attacks. That's why I'm insulted.
Don't worry, I never lose site of this being a debate ie I never let it get personal! Please post something relating to the original argument.

[isaacs]

JP there's a difference between "justification" and elaboration. The latter was what I was inviting, not the former. I didn't intend to directly insult you with the five-year-old analogy. My point was simply that a five-year-old is only capable of simple responses about "liking" or "hating" things, which was all we'd heard from you at that point. Five-year-olds don't have the tools to elaborate and say why they like or dislike things beyond "Because it's yummy/yucky". As you acknowledged, a forum is about exchange of ideas, so elaboration beyond those simple statements is always welcome.

[jazz police]

Thanks Mark.

I suppose that the presence of extremes in the jazz community shows how healthy it is!

[cartman]

Shit did I miss a fight?

[Belinda Moody]

"Do I need to justify why I feel something? I don't like Joe's playing because it doesn't touch me. I don't feel anything while I listen to it. That's all I need to say, because I feel that that is the most important thing.
In fact, that I actually have a strong opinion about his music shows some sort of respect surely!"

Seems like a paradox jazz police. You clearly feel quite a lot. Apparently listening to Joe's playing touches you in a profound way. (I've never had close to such a reaction while listening to any music, ever.)

I would think you would want to justify any feeling you had about music if you could... I think all "feel goods/feel bads" have some explanation behind them and I'm always interested to follow mine through. I don't need to make them all public but if I did, I'd be prepared to say why - especially if you had something negative to contribute, you might be kind enough to give reasons. When you make thoughts public about musicians, I hope you would consider that he/she maybe spent the better part of life working on his/her craft with the very aim of doing the exact opposite of your comments. I just wonder if you know how hurtful your comments might be.

If something really did nothing for you, I would think you would just move on quietly.

I wondered if you mix the feelings you have about the person and the music together when you listen. Do you have a problem with the man or his music?

[jazz police]

That's a good point Belinda, I s'pose I could say that don't feel any pleasant emotions when listening to Joe. Please don't mistake this for say, the kind of feelings one might have when listening to someone like Cecil Taylor or Bucketrider. Please note that I love Cecil and Bucketrider that music gives me favourable feelings.

I truly don't feel the need to justify or 'follow through' with my feelings. All I wish to say in a way of explanation is that the vibrations of Joe's music don't resonate in my body. That's truly all I can say. It's not because of the style: I've spent much of my life listening to and enjoying 'classic' pianists, it's not the material: I love most of the tunes I've heard him play. So I don't wish to try to explain this further until I've discovered more about the human condition and it's relationship with music.

For me the man and the music is inseperable. For me these aren't seperate entities, so there is no way I can get them confused. Personally I feel that the aim of music making is tied in with the process of self-discovery, and the act of music making is inseperable from the living of life itself.

I am well aware that Joe has probably spent much of his life polishing his craft, just as I have (even though I am much younger that steve). Surely any artist should be prepared to cop some flack at any point along the way, regardless of the style of music.

I think that I reserve the right to express my 'negative' opinions about someone's music just as the person next to me has the right the express their 'positive' opinions. I'm not wishing the plague upon Joe, I'm not wishing he would stop playing. I have no right to tell Joe what to do. I have a right to express myself in a 'exchange of ideas' environment.

[jazz police]

jazz said:

(even though I am much younger that steve).

Sorry, 'than Joe', is what I meant.

[jb]

"Actually I do not think that there are any wrong reasons for liking a statue or a picture. Someone may like a landscape painting because it reminds him of home, or a portrait because it reminds him of a friend. There is nothing wrong with that. All of us, when we see a painting, are bound to be reminded of a hundred and one things which influence our likes and dislikes. As long as these memories help us to enjoy what we see, we need not worry. It is only when some irrelevent memory makes us prejudiced, when we instinctively turn away from a magnificent picture of an alpine scene because we dislike climbing, that we search our mind for the reason of the aversion which spoils a pleasure we might otherwise have had. There are wrong reasons for disliking a work of art." Gombrich
I personally love trying to understand my negative reactions to music. When I try to understand why I dislike something, it is inevitibly an unrelated reason that gets in the way of enjoying the music for what it is.
Saying that you would rather slit your wrists sounds like the rambling of a person who has never tried to understand why they dislike what they hear.

[UB]

" even though I am much younger that steve). Surely any artist should be prepared to cop some flack at any point along the way," said the Jazz Policeman

Talk about a Freudian slip? so now you are pissed with Magnusson too, Holy Shit!. Hey man stuff like that can give you away maybe you should become a proper members so you can edit your post when no ones looking at ya

We figure your a male pianist residing in Melb whose had loads n loads of attention most of his life for his awesome talent & probably really clever too. we figure we have your cd we figure we know you & please dont be insulted. hee hee hee hee hee yowser!

[vickihb2]

Belinda: you rock girl. I think you'll get to heaven whether you like it or not.

[belinda moody]

I'll leave your name on the door sweetheart.

[ironguts]

Coltrane said that if he didnt like something (musically) he would just leave and not even think about it, too busy doing his own thing. What a soft cock, isn't it better and more fun to pay out on the cunts and get really drunk and frustrated! That seems like a healthier response to me, call me crazy.

Going to heaven makes me want to slit my wrists,,,, boring

[V h B]

Thanks Belinda, I'll need some help.

Kenny Weir: What do you mean 'Why are there no Jazz Bag Ladies'? Are you kidding? What the hell do you think my closets are filled with? I'm disgusted and insulted that you should hurl such obvious personal insults at me.