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Post by ironguts on Feb 23, 2006 11:52:09 GMT 10
Why are vocalists not great? Well we should ask them.
Hey vocalists, why are you all shit? Wouldn't it make more sense to be great?
Seems so obvious to me.
Maybe time for a limerick!
( has to be said with a kiwi accent)
There once was a great vocalist
who everone thought was the total best,
they really were shit,
every last little bit,
and now they're on the Tortoni list.
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Post by betty on Feb 24, 2006 9:18:23 GMT 10
some singers are good: chris tanner, ben gillespie, julie 0'hara, paul williamson that eamon guy isn't bad, Gian slater, Michelle Nicolle some are overrated: yadayadayadayadayadayada you all know who im talking about i reckon you all know who is decent and are not so much then again if you ask ironguts he'll tell you they're all shit then again why do no singers sing like elliot dalgleish plays? y do no horn players play like betty carter sang? |
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Post by tinky on Feb 24, 2006 15:41:07 GMT 10
chalk one up for the singers!
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Post by kimba on Mar 2, 2006 0:29:28 GMT 10
I'll just step in here with my favourite singer joke:
What are similarities between singers and terrorists?
You can't negotiate with them and they both destroy bridges....
I love that because it's...true!
No for real, as a singer, and not a blazing scatter, or a melodic innovater, but more of a tuneful, soulful, meaning of the song kind of singer, I think that people like to put labels on things and to place things in boxes... I do it all the time, and it's pretty unhelpful overall. And people like to say that only this box or that label is worthwhile, is quality, is useful!
Of course, the singer who can do something creative, rhythmic, and melodic over the changes, who can use their voice in a myriad of ways and who understands the ins and outs of form and so on -- they are really on top of their game...
But I also love to hear a simple singer with a beautiful voice...or a rough-hewn scratchy growl that has a whole lot of soul. A straight-ahead singer that chugs along and conveys meaning is, to me, as enjoyable and worthwhile as some scat-monster who forgot what the song was about.
If you are caught up in labelling jazz, creating a definitive check-list of what's good, or are sitting in your bedroom wondering why you haven't got as many gigs as some singer, that's probably why you think "vocalists are not great"...
Anyways....What's the first thing a singer does when she gets up in the morning?
Gets dressed and goes home.
Arigato
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Post by sophie on Mar 2, 2006 3:29:17 GMT 10
ha!
excellant kimba.
more, more they cried...
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Post by kimba on Mar 2, 2006 12:06:08 GMT 10
Oh wow! That's not the Boston correspondant is it?
Who isn't on this forum?!
Ok, here's one more
Q - How do you know when there's a female vocalist at the door?
A - She can't find the key and doesn't know when to come in.
Shit! I am dissing my own kind here...but it feels good.
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Post by shaggaz on Mar 2, 2006 13:24:02 GMT 10
once upon a time a band had a gig... singer and rhythm section. The singer said: 'hey guys can we play the way you look tonight?' to which the guitarist replied, 'okay but can we do it E and play the bridge in five and modulate to Db for the last A?' Singer: 'Um, why would we do that?' Guitarist: 'Cos that's what you did last week!'
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Post by marksiks on Mar 5, 2006 23:11:09 GMT 10
don't you think it's interesting that when people think of the most influential jazz musicians, Parker, Coltrane, Miles (even though he's a trumpet player) get mentioned, but no one mentions any singers......
it's a different artform altogether! -and it would seem that anyone with paint-on pants is willing to have a go, and will probably get a whole heap of gigs, regardless of how bad they are. and this is probably why there are so many shit singers and also why they are universally hated. well, the bad ones anyway
m6
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Post by alison on Mar 6, 2006 1:08:38 GMT 10
Ok then-
Let's talk about the vocalists that ARE great. Some who might even be mentioned when people talk about great musicians of the past or present...
I'll list a few to start (in the jazz-ish idiom...)
Louis Armstrong
Ella Fitzgerald
Sarah Vaughn
Carmen McCrae
Betty Carter
Mark Murphy
Chet Baker
Bobby McFerrin
Shirley Horn
Nat King Cole
Nina Simone
and from this country:
Vince Jones
Gian Slater
Michelle Nicolle
Elana Stone
Martin Breeze
Julie O Hara
Darren Percival
Percy Robinson
Carl Panuzzo
Emma Gilmartin
Paul Williamson (sax)
Gil Askey
I would like to point out that almost all of these singers are/were proficient on atleast one other instrument...
Wow...that's just a start. I know I can come up with many more, but I'll let a few more people add to the list...
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Post by aj on Mar 6, 2006 6:56:20 GMT 10
hey Ali, is Billie taking a Holiday ?
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Post by alison on Mar 6, 2006 7:13:29 GMT 10
my bad, aj...
of course Billie Holiday is on the list...
I knew I coudn't remember everyone (I've been a bit under the weather the last day 1/2).
Come on people, keep on adding to the list!!!
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 6, 2006 7:20:51 GMT 10
Get well Ali...
Mel Torme
Aaron Neville
Lowell George
I know its not JAZZ
Rod Stewart.............
only kidding
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Post by ironguts on Mar 6, 2006 8:53:07 GMT 10
um, um, no, can't think of anyone.
There are probably heaps of reasonable singers, but its very hard to give a fuck.
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Post by tuggsey on Mar 6, 2006 9:26:40 GMT 10
Theo Bleckman
Norma Winstone
Cassandra Wilson - especially with Steve Coleman
IG heckling over a rhythm changes......
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 6, 2006 9:35:13 GMT 10
There:
Frank Sinatra
Here:
Shelley Scown
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