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Post by timothystevens on Jul 6, 2006 21:12:09 GMT 10
I like the use of the singular there. How on earth did you know?
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Post by maurice on Jul 6, 2006 21:13:35 GMT 10
typo not inteaded.
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Post by andrewh on Jul 6, 2006 21:37:03 GMT 10
That much, by now, appears painfully obvious. |
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Post by maurice on Jul 6, 2006 22:03:46 GMT 10
I did it on purpose you moron.
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Post by andrewh on Jul 6, 2006 23:06:17 GMT 10
I did it on purpose you moron. Bravo! |
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Post by maurice on Jul 7, 2006 6:56:57 GMT 10
WOW!! Your Italian is incredible! Bet you speak many languages.
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Post by andrewh on Jul 7, 2006 10:05:06 GMT 10
WOW!! Your Italian is incredible! Bet you speak many languages. Accepting plaudits for linguistic ability from one whose grip on even the mother tongue is tenuous presents a certain irony but, in the spirit of fellowship, thank you Maurice. And, yes. |
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Post by punter on Jul 7, 2006 10:36:13 GMT 10
Maurice, sounds to me like you're a little frightened of the fact that Tim is articulate and opinionated. Personally I think we need more of it. Your view of things is depressing and bleak; if they looked like that to me from where I sat I'd find something else to do.
I think you're wrong about just about everything you spouted off about, including John Clare: he's written some fantastic stuff about music. He does miss the mark (according to me) at times, but when he's on he can be poetic and affecting, I don't mind if he's "trained" or not, he brings a valuable perspective. I do wish that Tim would write more reviews, we also need his learned perspective.
But in the end, the important thing is that both these people CONTRIBUTE, rather than whinge, they DO.
If Tim has only sold 1 CD then that IS an indictment on our scene cos his trio music is really beautiful and peculiar.
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Post by timothystevens on Jul 7, 2006 10:48:55 GMT 10
If Tim has only sold 1 CD then that IS an indictment on our scene cos his trio music is really beautiful and peculiar. Ben and Dave went halves on it, just to cheer me up. |
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Post by plunk on Jul 7, 2006 12:32:05 GMT 10
"I should have added that this is also why such resentment festers amidst this big happy back- stabbing family of ours, especially against those deemed successful. There is no real cammeraderie or support in the jazz community, and if there is, it's temporary. The rest is just an illusion. We are all on our own, and the sooner we realize it and forget all that other bullshit, the better."
Thats too easy Maurice. Of course we are alone and we all need each other - there are times for both. I disagree that there is resentment toward the "successful" - and if that is perceived , perhaps its the fault of those who treat the general music community with a sense of disproportionate superiority- thats not unknown to happen. Music is a time and place phenomena - the rest is rock and roll.
As for more work, less criticism - sure. Wouldnt it be great though if the quality of both improved?
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Post by maurice on Jul 7, 2006 13:44:09 GMT 10
Accepting plaudits for linguistic ability from one whose grip on even the mother tongue is tenuous presents a certain irony but, in the spirit of fellowship, thank you Maurice.
AnderwH, you've worn your best suit to write that one. It's an honour that you should go to so much trouble. However, you might want to add some comas to your sentence, but check with Tim (whose writing prowess I do like and respect BTW)
Frank, if I'm resentful, I'm learning from the best. It didnt' start this way.
Where's ladylex? Just like a woman to start a pub brawl and then flee the scene of the crime.
Punter, Clare's writing ability is not in contention. It's his knowledge of music and the arrogance which accompanies his reviews that concerns me. So, he's not my idea of the enlightened criticism ( is that better Tim?) that we are all after. And no, one doesn't have to be a musician to enjoy or 'get'l music, but if a reviewer is writing about someone's project, and possibly affecting that person's livelihood, then a little modesty would be nice. Most musicians are cautious about plunging into areas for which Clare has definite opinions. Music is far too complicated for simplistic observations.
Plunk, that you for an intelligent response, and I appreciate your argument.
Now, I really must be going as mine was only supposed to be a short stay, most of you will be delighted to hear. Didn't spell check. I'll leave that to you.
Kisses.
It's been fun. Give my best to Dr.Phil
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Post by marksiks on Jul 7, 2006 16:51:52 GMT 10
Hotel California
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Post by plunk on Jul 13, 2006 10:45:48 GMT 10
An interesting temperance to add to this issue perhaps.....
"To pour a gush, when it is achieved in its essence , thought through with sufficient generosity . and genuinely uttered , is to donate , to offer in sacrifice. and hence to give."
Heidegger
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Post by ladylex on Jul 14, 2006 15:03:31 GMT 10
Plunk: I love your quote. Love it  Lols My sincere apologies to leave you all stewing while I watched the best of the best Mr S.Tinkler kick butt at the Night Cat with his ridiculously incredible high notes and damn boy.. you walk far too fast for a drunk sheila in very high heels to chase after you to say thank you for being a wonderful trumpeter And Melbourne *sigh. What an incredible city. But.. Bwahahahah. *wipes tear from eye I wrote that I didn’t like Frank so he would not mistake the tone of my post in the slightest. What I DO find absolutely hilarious is that had I NOT shown my extreme distaste for Frank’s posts, would this thread had lasted as long as it did? LOL I doubt not. Frank shouldn’t give a damn that someone like me doesn’t like him. C’mon Frank.. put all that angst into your lovely lil bass. Yes – Im am full of selfconfidence. I am a Dragon – cant help it apparently Its in my build ;D Yes I am bizarre. But who cares? I don’t want to be ‘normal’ anyway. Apparently John Howard is normal *shudder And Yes I gush over damn good musos. Why shouldnt musos be venerated and worshipped? As professionals, they deserve the kudos – and in this country, very rarely do they get it. So I like to think I make up for it. If its fulla krap to you – I don’t care. I will continue to worship amazing musicians until the day I die. Because their music speaks volumes to me and makes my eyes open in wonder to this incredible world. Without their talents, my world would be a far more boring and unlivable place to inhabit. So thank YOU Mark for the wonderful CDs I get to PURCHASE and the gigs I get to WATCH and the CDS I get to get my special lil hands on that sound INCREDIBLE – though if I lived closer to you, Id prolly lie under your piano while you played.. for ever. LOls Manup peeps. If youre finding my krap posts so hard to deal with – go sob into your mumma’s aprons. It’s the only place for you. |
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Post by kazuo on Jul 14, 2006 15:19:13 GMT 10
In a factory, you have this guy at the end of the chain that says, "This hammer doesn't meet our expectation, we won't be selling it", hence they have quality control. Can Criticism lead to Quality Control and do we need it in our scene? A hammer is a hammer is a hammer. We can't say that about music and the subjective nature of aesthetics. Sorry Frank, I disagree. We do need good, constructive informative criticism, but it is not so one dimensional an issue. |
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