tinky
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Post by tinky on Mar 29, 2006 15:13:43 GMT 10
What does lyrical mean anyhow? The use of lyrics? I think she's a long way from lyrical personally, closer to totally bland. I think P Rex is lyrical, he writes wonderfull texts.
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Post by ladylex on Mar 29, 2006 15:21:47 GMT 10
What does lyrical mean anyhow? The use of lyrics? I think she's a long way from lyrical personally, closer to totally bland. I think P Rex is lyrical, he writes wonderfull texts. Aww darling. I was pulling your free jazz side. ;D Lyrical: singing, poetic, expressive.. At the end of the day, music is subjective. I love the timbre of her vocals. And besides: she gives out a lovely warm blue colour when she sings.  (Im a bit weird) |
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Post by aj on Mar 30, 2006 1:37:56 GMT 10
Hey Mark
for the record, I booked her for MIJF, for Jan 2000...........not because I was a huge fan, but because I thought she was a jazz singer/pianist with some talent, who would have some commercial appeal to the market here, and help boost that Festival´s finances.
I was able to get her for a reasonable fee because she hadn´t really `broken´ in this market, and she, her management & her record co. were keen for her to come here.
As it happened, she cancelled at 2 weeks notice, to ´take advantage of some media opportunities´ in the States. That one incident very nearly sent the Festival bankrupt. (I for one worked for about 6 months unpaid as a result). I still can´t believe the arrogance / greed / lack of integrity involved in doing something like that, and I guess that experience has hardened my attitude towards Ms Krall.
Speaking personally, I have no respect for the fucking bitch.
As to her music : siome of it I think is quite good for what it is (eg The Girl In The Other Room), some is terribly over-orchestrated, treacly crap.
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Post by ladylex on Mar 30, 2006 9:15:52 GMT 10
Youve obviously suffered from this, but surely you can remain professional in spite of the hurt and refrain from being so nasty?
From what I understand about major artists - very rarely are they given any say in where they perform; their agents and management are responsible for that. Im sure Casey Boyle saw the benefits of the other offer rather than jumping onto a 20 hour flight to a country who arent exactly open in their appreciation in jazz anyway. He just just chose the greener pasture - as agents and management will do.
And besides.. where are your own principles? You book someone purely for commercial purposes and expect to reap the benefits of their popular image ... Im not attacking you personally or anything.. please dont take it like that at all. I dont know too much about life but what I have managed to learn is that if you go after the less scrupulous action, it will unfortunately bite you in the arse. It really is a true shame that something like that happened. Just goes to show what pigs record labels and managements can be, and the total lack of respect they have for us too.
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Post by Kenny on Mar 30, 2006 9:24:08 GMT 10
Excuse me, but what was "less scrupulous" about aj's booking her? Nothing suss about that - just a canny move, nabbing an artist on the rise before some sort of superstardom makes them out of reach for Australian audiences forever. aj's done it before to good effect, and will no doubt do it again.
ALL the fault in that case was with the Krall camp - and by extension Ms Krall herself.
Funnily enough, I doubt the Grammy-inspired photo ops did her much good and since then her records have simply got worse and worse. Or at least blander and blander.
Meoowwww!
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 30, 2006 9:34:21 GMT 10
And besides.. where are your own principles? You book someone purely for commercial purposes and expect to reap the benefits of their popular image ... Im not attacking you personally or anything.. Right, okay. Uh-huh. |
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Post by isaacs on Mar 30, 2006 9:51:44 GMT 10
Performance contracts occasionally need to be broken from either side. Most contracts I have seen allow either party to break them with a provision for financial recompense. I hope MIJF were financially compensated in the Krall fiasco. I personally would never break a contract for a promotional opportunity (although I undertand it was a pretty major one as promotional opportunities go, related to the Grammys or something?). I can't say I would never break a contract for a musical opportunity though - but the opportunity would have to be very major indeed, the chance of a lifetime kind of thing, the current equivalent of Miles Davis calling. And I would break a contract for an extreme personal traumatic reason, related to (God forbid) death or very serious injury of an immediate family member or obviously serious illness or injury on my own part.
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Post by marksiks on Mar 30, 2006 14:04:11 GMT 10
ladylex
are you deliberately trying to stir up tension here or do you honestly think you could do a better job balancing the programs of wangaratta and mijf? Festivals need to offer a broad spectrum of sub genres to entice different people to come don't they? I can't imagine running a festival full of intense freely improvised music and expecting my parents to come... Nor can I imagine putting one that only had bebop and jazz vocalists singing standards.
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kimba
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Post by kimba on Mar 30, 2006 16:14:42 GMT 10
she and snorah doze are pretty much the same..
mostly harmless
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Post by aj on Mar 30, 2006 20:46:56 GMT 10
I don´t think Diana can wash her hands from that affair. I did all I could to persuade her & her management to honor the contract.......including tracking down where she was that weekend (a hotel in Hawaii) & sending a detailed fax spelling out the implications for MIJF if she cancelled, and for the scene here if the Festival went bankrupt. Her response ? She asked the manager to make sure I only communicated with him.
MIJF did get some financial compensation, about 6 months later, after lengthy negotiations & threats of legal action.
Actually, the manager suggested at one stage they could compensate by having Diana fly to Melb a few months later to do a free concert for us. I pointed out that we could hardly move the festival , plus `why should I believe that she would turn up ? I already know that a commitment means nothing´. He couldn´t really answer that one.
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Post by aj on Mar 30, 2006 20:54:04 GMT 10
PS Who´s Casey Boyle ? If he´s Princess Diana´s current manager, the one I was dealing with was one Stephen Macklam of SL Feldman & Associates.
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 10:58:31 GMT 10
ladylex are you deliberately trying to stir up tension here or do you honestly think you could do a better job balancing the programs of wangaratta and mijf? Festivals need to offer a broad spectrum of sub genres to entice different people to come don't they? I can't imagine running a festival full of intense freely improvised music and expecting my parents to come... Nor can I imagine putting one that only had bebop and jazz vocalists singing standards. Well perhaps the stirring wants to come out from me when I see a respected musician referred to as an F**king bitch - from someone who is meant to be professional and a promoter. I and my husband are of many who are happy to fork out the $$ for flights, accomm and tickets etc to see these events – which are brilliant BTW. Theyre worth every penny IMO. So Im quite justified I believe in asserting my own opinion too. BTW: in spite of the fact that she didnt turn up, did you actually get to meet her personally to therefore make such a judgement? And Casey Boyle is also with Feldmans - one at the top actually who makes the majority of the decisions. Im quite sure he and any other management would rather Ms Krall take the opp to do Grammys publicity than jump onto a 20 hour flight to a country that doesnt show their appreciation to Ms Krall refer to Succotash Sal's statement for a perfect example; and doesnt guarantee the CD sales that a Grammy Promo in the states would. EDIT: Its reality when $$ is the motivating factor. |
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 11:01:41 GMT 10
I don´t think Diana can wash her hands from that affair. I did all I could to persuade her & her management to honor the contract.......including tracking down where she was that weekend (a hotel in Hawaii) & sending a detailed fax spelling out the implications for MIJF if she cancelled, and for the scene here if the Festival went bankrupt. Her response ? She asked the manager to make sure I only communicated with him. MIJF did get some financial compensation, about 6 months later, after lengthy negotiations & threats of legal action. Actually, the manager suggested at one stage they could compensate by having Diana fly to Melb a few months later to do a free concert for us. I pointed out that we could hardly move the festival , plus `why should I believe that she would turn up ? I already know that a commitment means nothing´. He couldn´t really answer that one. And youre well justified in that too. |
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Post by Kenny on Mar 31, 2006 11:11:36 GMT 10
a 20 hour flight to a country that doesnt show their appreciation to Ms Krall refer to Succotash Sal's statement for a perfect example. You're full of ill-informed shite. What the fuck are you banging on about? I raved at tedious length about her King Cole album, and chased an interview with her on that basis for years. I have interviewed her twice, and she was OK. At the second interview, she refused point blank to discuss to discuss the cancellation. I gave her the opportunity to have her say, and she refused it. A colleague did a story on her last time she was out. Her imperious, snooty and hurtful behaviour towards a work experience kid he took with him was outrageous. Had our boss known of it, he would've made sure the story didn't run. A country that doesn't show appreciation of her? Fuck me - IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. |
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 11:14:49 GMT 10
And of course she is truly herself when journos are around. *rolls eyes.
btw: which artists ARE going to justify their cancellation? And why should they anyway? Im saying - its not always the artist who makes the decisions. They should be given a bit of leeway.
This is from one who adores excuses and idolises musicians and kinda cant stand agents okay?
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(Im a bit weird)
