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Post by Kenny on Mar 31, 2006 14:03:10 GMT 10
I still find myself adoring them.. but but but but theyre musicians! lol Yeah, well I'm sure different from you in that regard. Adore the music not its makers. |
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 14:24:12 GMT 10
I still find myself adoring them.. but but but but theyre musicians! lol Yeah, well I'm sure different from you in that regard. Adore the music not its makers. Thats fine  We is different people with different perspectives. I guess youd get your gut full of them with the way they can carry on.. at times. Particularly as a journo lol |
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Post by Kenny on Mar 31, 2006 14:26:59 GMT 10
I guess youd get your gut full of them with the way they can carry on.. at times. Particularly as a journo lol Yep. And in the case of someone like Krall, there's no leniency or understanding from me just coz they're a mega star or whatever. Respect is a two-way street. |
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 14:50:40 GMT 10
I respect that. Its just hard for me to disassociate the musician from their music. |
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Post by plunk on Mar 31, 2006 15:26:30 GMT 10
I cant believe he dissed Diana Krall – a woman with rhythmic talents Id sell my soul to the very devil for!
If you sold your soul to the devil for Billy Holidays rhythm I,d understand...
I read that thing again. this guy is not talking about time keeping or even swing feel -hes talking about individuality. The great singers and players brought their own "time" to the music - not just metric accuracy or whatever is laughingly construed as "correct swing" - whether it was Billy or Sonny Rollins, the voice comes from deep in its own groove.Krally just doesnt have it deep down......its nice sometimes, but light.
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Post by ladylex on Mar 31, 2006 15:51:30 GMT 10
I dont agree with that either. But then, music is subjective and appeals to different people differently. If anything, Im so jealous of her keys abilities - and jazz rhythm for me is really hard (bloody Con.. polished standard 4/4 into me dammit) - i can do it vocally, cant as well as in keys. Im sure if I kept playing for the next 15 years Id get it [sic]. AND I love her vocal timbre. The sound is so smooth, so wonderful.. makes me feel like Im enjoying ice cream.
The great players did not have the limitations humped onto them as they do today. "Youre playing something different? well.. we cant possibly like that then" lol Back then, Jazz was unchartered terrirtory. It has become a bit more confined IMO. Some of it is too refined for my tastes (Im talking the chart stuff of course). It should get back to the streets where it first came from.. IMO. Just to get that edge again. But thats just my thoughts. And Im no longer thinking clearly Ive just realised..... So I think I'll just disregard this post! lol
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Post by Kenny on Mar 31, 2006 15:53:28 GMT 10
Yeah well, on top of everything she's blonde as well.
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Post by timothystevens on Mar 31, 2006 16:34:54 GMT 10
Back then, Jazz was unchartered terrirtory. It has become a bit more confined IMO. Some of it is too refined for my tastes (Im talking the chart stuff of course). It should get back to the streets where it first came from.. IMO. Just to get that edge again. What a load of old crap. Not that one again! Back to the streets, egad. Life must be so simple in that sunny state to the north. Give us a break. |
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Post by ladylex on Apr 2, 2006 15:41:57 GMT 10
Its too late Timothy. Jazz HAS returned to the streets. And if you ventured beyond the borders of Victoria, youd know that kids are dancing to it in the clubs in Europe. I say give me more urban influences. Jazz is not only for the elite.
What was that about life being simple? ^^
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Post by timothystevens on Apr 2, 2006 18:22:04 GMT 10
Jazz HAS returned to the streets. And if you ventured beyond the borders of Victoria, youd know that kids are dancing to it in the clubs in Europe. Yippee. I'll crank up the turntable. Simple is when 'elite' and 'urban' are mutually exclusive. When 'the streets' are in some way good beyond question. When 'then' and 'now' are so easily and discretely identifiable. When change in the world is such an unexamined, uninterrogated quantity. Simple is the ability to opine about the state of jazz with no apparent apprehension of what has been hashed over here for the last five years. That kind of thing. |
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Post by tam on Apr 2, 2006 18:43:21 GMT 10
ladylex-
remind me to get into an argument with you.... (although easy victories are never savoured as much.....)
I saw krall live and it was mediocre at best. no risks, no real tension and release.... the only reason i would purchase her cd was if i had a serious case of insomnia.
mediocrity is the worst element in the only bad type of music....formulaic.... takes no risks... not even a shadow of real tension and release. i can't believe you spent the last 4 pages defending her in every way....
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Post by mim on Apr 2, 2006 23:13:00 GMT 10
Its too late Timothy. Jazz HAS returned to the streets. And if you ventured beyond the borders of Victoria, youd know that kids are dancing to it in the clubs in Europe. I say give me more urban influences. Jazz is not only for the elite. Miss Lex, there are several things awry with your post: It seems to me that if kids are dancing to jazz in clubs in Europe that it is probably only Verve remixes and the like, not the direction most jazz musicians would like the music to take. And great established players playing in a jam session in Collingwood with younger inexperienced players is plenty urban, not elitist at all. Yes, it would be nice if more people would walk in off the street to listen. And before you accuse good musicians of never travelling outside Victoria, perhaps you yourself could give some indication that you have infact heard players that aren't from Brisbane, or haven't played in Brisbane. Shannon Marshall? Barney Loveland? Joe Marchisella? Mark Sholtez? It's not that I'm disputing their abilities, I've never heard them before. It just seems that if all your favourite musicians are from the town you live in, perhaps you might want to branch out a little. |
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Post by shaggaz on Apr 3, 2006 11:05:23 GMT 10
Jazz is a term largely bandied about when discussing styles of funk music and DJ stuff in Europe too ladylex... make sure you don't make arguments based on google searches. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tam, I love you.
EDIT: Ladylex have you heard of Sophie Brous?
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Post by ladylex on Apr 3, 2006 13:30:07 GMT 10
Its too late Timothy. Jazz HAS returned to the streets. And if you ventured beyond the borders of Victoria, youd know that kids are dancing to it in the clubs in Europe. I say give me more urban influences. Jazz is not only for the elite. Miss Lex, there are several things awry with your post: It seems to me that if kids are dancing to jazz in clubs in Europe that it is probably only Verve remixes and the like, not the direction most jazz musicians would like the music to take. And great established players playing in a jam session in Collingwood with younger inexperienced players is plenty urban, not elitist at all. Yes, it would be nice if more people would walk in off the street to listen. Yeh - thats what I mean - just allowing accessibility to others without the 'elitist sniff not purist therefore not good enough' attitude. And perhaps you (generally, not you personally) should look beyond google. I dont look at google. Ive been interviewing these artists. Blue Note has been getting in on it. Is Blue Note not good enough? And too bad if Jazz Musos dont want it going 'that way'. Doesnt mean that the rest of the population cant enjoy it simply because the elitism of jazz keeps the jaw locked  Im taking umbrage at the fact that just because Im live in Brisbane means I supposedly know krap. I dont need to branch out at all - I get access to all sorts of music whereever I travel - which is not confined to the borders of Queensland thank you. I come to Melbourne & Sydney plenty. And I interview musicians all the time - not to mention that Ive prolly shared plenty of wines with them in carparks over the last 10 years since I fist started my degree at the Con. And - Youve havent heard of Mark Sholtez yet? What rock are you hiding under? |
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Post by ladylex on Apr 3, 2006 13:33:41 GMT 10
ladylex- remind me to get into an argument with you.... (although easy victories are never savoured as much.....) I saw krall live and it was mediocre at best. no risks, no real tension and release.... the only reason i would purchase her cd was if i had a serious case of insomnia. mediocrity is the worst element in the only bad type of music....formulaic.... takes no risks... not even a shadow of real tension and release. i can't believe you spent the last 4 pages defending her in every way.... Lucky music is subjective then aint it? |
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We is different people with different perspectives. I guess youd get your gut full of them with the way they can carry on.. at times. Particularly as a journo lol 
