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[freddy]

glen said:

i'll take DOn over the necks any day
I said ill take Don over, the, necks anyday
I said Ill take Don over the. necks any day
I said I will take Don over the necks any dar
I said. Ill take Don over. the necks any day
I said Ill take Don ov er the necks any day day day day day day day day day
the necks are intesting if you are into that warhol repitive thing sometimes I am but it gets tiresome after a while. I wouldnt wanna hear them more than once a year. i think they win a lot of awards cos the judges have no frigging idea and they think it is intellectual musique baby. I bought some of their cds play them once now covered with dust. Actually I am not a big Don fan really but i loathe this mainstream is crap, crap that goes on here on OJF it is just silly and a waste of space

Maybe so. . . but, even though I'm not one of their fans, at least The Necks do what they do with absolute conviction, something that Don's career doesn't show he does. How about this milestone: teaming up with Julie Anthony, an out and out club singer and no more. This act was flogged around as jazz by Don's manager.

Before we go further where has anyone on this thread written that mainstream is crap? I said Don's record was a nostalgia trip and compared it to muzak. I love Bob Barnard, Allan Browne's mainstream projects etc. so no more red herrings.

Burrows' recording is not a jazz CD but a retro entertainment. The name should tell you that and the music certainly will or has already. The music of the 30s wasn't all jazz, in fact most of it wasn't jazz even if it was often played by jazz players. The solos in many bands were written out and so on. When your recording spruiks The Mellotones and Philip Sametz it can't be seen as anything more than that. And so, it has everything in common with Mark S. (if I understand comments by people who have heard the CD, correctly) : primarily a jazz related entertainment but not jazz. I don't have any problem with Burrows recording this stuff but I do object to it being nominated for a jazz ARIA and worry that it made it to the second round. Some of the judges are clearly ill-suited to the task.

[punter]

I love the Necks, I play their CDs a lot, Aquatic is an absolute classic, when they are 'on' live they are amazing, their performance at Wang a few years ago in the church was heavy. I have heard concerts when they weren't 'on' but what I love about the Necks is that they don't opt for easy ways out; they don't have well worn routines to get them out of sticky musical situations; if an idea is not working too well they keep developing it until they find something i.e. they have a concept and they approach their music-making with integrity. They have taken the piano trio and reinvented it and created their own language, they are artists of the highest order.
Most of the rest of the nominated albums are pretty ho hum... I agree with Freddy the judges are ill-suited to the task.
What about Paper Hat, what about Barney McCall... the list goes on, anyone want to add to it??

[timothystevens]

freddy said:

Some of the judges are clearly ill-suited to the task.

That would seem to be the understatement of the millennium, and perhaps accounts for why we're not permitted to know who they are. So it is that even if we want one we can happily agree that this award is an irrelevant and unrepresentative load of horseshit.

[ladylex]

exactly! The award doesnt really mean anything earth shattering - it hasnt changed our opinion on Mr Muller or anyone else who has received one in the past. But its nice for the artist to be recognised - when wouldnt it be?

I think its nice for all nominees there. Its a recognition of their hard work and determination. And I like that far more than anything else (of course, it would be nice for loads of peeps' to be recognised too). But hell.. dont berate people's work for chrissakes. And BTW- the trickling effect does occur.


Hmm.. If it includes jazz musos, and is written by jazz musos, has jazz harmonic structures, jazz chords, with producers who are labelled as producers for jazz music.. it aint jazz? :rainman: riiiight *rolls eyes

[ladylex]

alimcg said:

I left the door way open for you to acquit yourself with poise and dignity.

Rolling on floor laughing my arse off. Ladylex, do share the joke.

I wouldnt expect you to do anything for me. So please - try not to again.

The joke is that you appear more P'Od at his apparent good looks perhaps being the cement for his deal. It would perhaps, seem far more outrageous that his music couldnt possibly have landed him the gig instead - oh no.. your lemon sucking couldnt possibly allow that. So I laugh at how much its effecting you. And I still keep laughing - because at heart, Im pretty much a sadist. ROOFLES!

oh - and have a nice day!

[alimcg]

I'm not pissed off at all, just asking a question. Now please, lets get past the lemon sucking allegations. I've merely made my own comments on his album, and its suitability for an ARIA. Unlike you, I haven't made this debate personal. I can deal with people having differing views from my own, and respect people who can back up their views with reasonable arguments. This is what I've been getting at Ladylex - if you want to defend Mr Sholtez, do so, but don't do it by putting any of us down.

[ladylex]

But your 'justifications' as to why you dont like his albums - the majority seemingly based upon his looks apparently - are damned shameful. Many people's posts are coming across as damn'd bitter - for very few reasons.
So I shall remind everyone how distasteful that kind of attitude is. All musicians are hot! Your talent on your instrument proclaims so!

Still have a nice day! The sun is shining.. hope it is everywhere else in Australia

[alimcg]

I only made one very brief comment at the very end of all my posts on his looks. Read the rest of my posts.

[ladylex]

I have.

Though the references to being bitter was really for all who were being mean.

[alimcg]

Well then you'd know that his looks have nothing to do with the reasons I don't like his album.

[ladylex]

Good. At least you confirmed that

Still: as I wrote back a post or so ago:

"If it includes jazz musos, and is written by jazz musos, has jazz harmonic structures, jazz chords, jaz treatments, with producers who are labelled as producers for jazz music.. it aint jazz?"

I wouldnt call it pop. Hardly. I see Mark as making Jazz accessible.. and considering the audience numbers in most jazz events are kinda down.. whats wrong with making jazz accessbile?

Dont go to Vienna or any of the european countries. DONT DO IT. You will be committing harikiri to hear the music being unleashed on their dancefloors: Bitches Brew set to Electronika Dance four four beats LOLs and masses of kids getting down to it.

[mim]

Bitter or not, it doesn't change the fact that the tunes I've heard are formulaic, the harmony is mostly fairly simplistic (I've heard as much jazz harmony in a Ricky Martin track), and there is nothing original about it at all. You get a bunch of jazz musicians and producers in a room and tell them to produce pop, they'll produce pop, because they're professionals. Sure, there's a bit of extra flavour that your average pop tune doesn't have, but it's jazzed up pop, not accessible jazz. And he does sing with an american accent.

[freddy]

ladylex said:

. And BTW- the trickling effect does occur.

Give us the evidence. . some evidence. . .any evidence!!!!! Forget the intuition.

[alimcg]

My intuition tells me there is none.

[aj]

Of course the trickling effect is there ! It's just like in the last round of tax cuts from the federal govt, the highest income-earners got the biggest tax-cut...........didn't we ALL feel so much better as a result ??