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Post by punter on Sept 25, 2006 23:27:25 GMT 10
it's not even that mark's music is particularly bad... it's just that it PLAINLY and demonstrably is nowhere near the quality of a whole heap of other jazz and improvised music released in australia this year. it's got nothing to do with looks or anything else other than music and musicians have got a right to be pissed off if the organisation that is funded by the music industry does not employ judges capable of being able to discern the excellent from the very average
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Post by ladylex on Sept 27, 2006 10:45:19 GMT 10
LOL What exact parts of the music industry funds 'the organisation'? I ask this purely from curiosity  And we all know the Arias is about how much money the album generates - not whether local musos endorse it or not. If that were indeed the case, the public would only ever hear jazz they couldnt possibly relate to. And there is FAR more jazz structures and harmony in this album than youre willing to accept it seems. Im assuming Mim, from your statement that you’ve listened many times to the album with pen and paper in hand as you musically analysed it? Ive actually seen the music score – so I know exactly what Im talking about. |
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Post by Kenny on Sept 27, 2006 10:59:56 GMT 10
I know exactly what Im talking about. Post of the week! |
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Post by aj on Sept 27, 2006 11:07:01 GMT 10
LOLs
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Post by ladylex on Sept 27, 2006 11:55:40 GMT 10
Lols EDIT: BTW - Im honoured to see my gibberish being 'taken on' by someone as honourary as yourself |
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Post by aka on Sept 27, 2006 12:12:19 GMT 10
The 'trickle down effect' has also been thrown about in the classical music world....it was supposed to have a huge effect in opening up classical music to a wider public...violinists standing in puddles/ quartets of blond singers etc..and of course the trois tenors....classical music sales have not skyrocketed up..the same with jazz recordings...
In a limited field of 5 available, it does seem the judges
decisions so far are at least questionable..
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Post by ladylex on Sept 27, 2006 13:49:41 GMT 10
Compared to which years/decades figures? |
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Post by aj on Sept 27, 2006 15:41:28 GMT 10
Honourary ? I should hope not !!
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Post by Kenny on Sept 27, 2006 15:55:31 GMT 10
Honourary ? I should hope not !! I suspect that Brisbanese for "old coot". |
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Post by trumpetguy on Sept 27, 2006 16:08:56 GMT 10
Honourary ? I should hope not !! I suspect that Brisbanese for "old coot". maybe she meant ornery? |
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Post by punter on Sept 27, 2006 16:17:10 GMT 10
What exact parts of the music industry funds 'the organisation'? I ask this purely from curiosity The Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) is a trade group representing the Australian recording industry. It oversees the collection, administration and distribution of music licenses and royalties. The association has more than a hundred members, including small labels typically run by one to five people, medium size organisations and very large companies with international affiliates. ARIA is administered by a Board of Directors comprising senior executives from record companies, both large and small. It is the Australian counterpart of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). Clear enough??? By the way that's from Wikipedia. And ladylex how can you have 'more jazz structures and harmony' what are you on about??? And even if you could have MORE of these things, whatever they are, would that make the music better? As in, "Ooooh that's what's wrong with my new tune I need more jazz structures... mmmm where can I buy some.... maybe I'll ask Mark Sholtez he has lots of them and oooooh he has lots of harmony too... yes I need more harmony and then maybe I'll be nominated for an ARIA whooooopeeeeeeeeee!!" LOLs |
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Post by alimcg on Sept 27, 2006 23:34:22 GMT 10
I bought some chords from a guy once. Turned out that they were cheap Chinese imitations.
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Post by mrqwerty on Sept 28, 2006 0:39:22 GMT 10
A real issue with the ARIAs is that Jazz has only one category award to cover what we all know is such a diverse art form...
no wonder the final five is such a dog's breakfast..there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the 5 releases..some are lightweight and skim the surface...one (The Necks) arguably doesn't fall into the category really, by their own definition..
The whole award is beset by limitations at the outset and should be seen as such...our jazz and improvised music scene is so rich in talent and activity...just a pity that the Jazz Aria award is grafted onto such a mangy beast....
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Post by mim on Sept 28, 2006 0:55:26 GMT 10
And there is FAR more jazz structures and harmony in this album than youre willing to accept it seems. Im assuming Mim, from your statement that you’ve listened many times to the album with pen and paper in hand as you musically analysed it? Ive actually seen the music score – so I know exactly what Im talking about. Then you're assuming that I need to do this in order to figure out whether or not something is jazz... and odd concept. An altered chord symbol or two, or 50, does not a jazz tune make. Regardless, punter is right. Jazz or not, there's a buttload of jazz releases this year that are of higher quality. |
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Post by trumpetguy on Sept 28, 2006 9:12:05 GMT 10
I bought some chords from a guy once. Turned out that they were cheap Chinese imitations. I am currently wearing a nice pair of jazz chords!! |
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