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Post by trumpetguy on Sept 28, 2006 9:17:55 GMT 10
Surely for something to be classified as jazz it must have a large proportion of it's content as improvisation, regardless of written harmonic and rhythmic content or genre derivation.
Even so - the aria is only a trophy - produce excellent music - that is all we really need!
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Post by alimcg on Sept 28, 2006 10:48:07 GMT 10
An ugly trophy at that. I know one ARIA winner who, when asked, wasn't quite sure where his was. Turned out to be in a box in his shed. Hardly something for the pool room.
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Post by ladylex on Sept 28, 2006 13:57:10 GMT 10
LOL Thats hilarious  |
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Post by andrewh on Sept 28, 2006 20:19:12 GMT 10
It seems we're getting close to a working definition of "jazz", at least. jazz (n.), that which is not nominated for the ARIA jazz award.
But I wonder how the Sholtez rule applies to other pop crooners. Sting, for example, and the awful Dream of the Blue Turtles. Personnel including Kenny Kirkland and Branford Marsalis (who could definitely be jazz musicians as they've never won the ARIA), "jazz harmonic structures", "jazz chords", "jazz treatments", improvisation - check, check, check, check. Is it jazz? Pig's arse it is. On their own, and even all together, these things mean pretty much nothing at all as to what genre an artist, or an album, is. In the case of the Blue Turtles - and, in my listening room, of Mr Sholtez - they are merely an array of very expensive cleaning products and the finest buffing cloths, assembled for a rather jumped-up case of self-indulgent turd-polishing.
Although Sting ripped off Prokofiev. Maybe it's actually classical.
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Post by alimcg on Sept 28, 2006 22:10:42 GMT 10
Surely Blue Turtles is just a giant piss-take?
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Post by captain on Sept 29, 2006 0:02:33 GMT 10
Dream of the Blue Turtles is an incredible album. Really, really good songwriting. ignore the cheesy 80's rock saxophone and keyboard. There is no Jazz on there, just Kenny and Branford playing solos appropriate for a rock band.
Incindently the track called 'Blue Turtles' (a short little instrumental piss-take in the middle of the album) was nominated for a Jazz Grammy the year it came out. Sting was horrified... it didn't win luckily.
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Post by andrewh on Oct 1, 2006 11:02:38 GMT 10
Dream of the Blue Turtles is an incredible album. Really, really good songwriting. ignore the cheesy 80's rock saxophone and keyboard. How do you do that? There is no Jazz on there, just Kenny and Branford playing solos appropriate for a rock band. Incindently the track called 'Blue Turtles' (a short little instrumental piss-take in the middle of the album) was nominated for a Jazz Grammy the year it came out. Sting was horrified... it didn't win luckily. Premonition for Mr Sholtez? Though I'm sure he ain't horrified. |
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Post by alimcg on Oct 1, 2006 12:11:29 GMT 10
We can all be horrified on his behalf.
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